The admin of the third largest Mastodon instance (16k monthly active users) is asking for help to pay rent
stux⚡ (@stux@mstdn.social)
Please, tell me how "paying for hardware costs is enough"...
So? Do, or don't. Either their service provides people with enough value to donate to keep it running, or it doesn't and goes under.
Altruism doesn't pay the bills; but it doesn't hurt to ask. Can't blame them for that.
Yeah, so he's asking.
Either their service provides people with enough value to donate to keep it running
You know what also works like that? Any other traditional business operation.
I am saying that since 2022: we only have a shot at this succeeding if we all start putting something at stake.
Are yall not sponsoring this project on patreon or otherwise?
I pitch in something like 1-2 bucks to desalines and a few bucks to .world every month.
You are the exception, and you will find out that even the most prolific participants here claiming that $5 per year is enough to cover the hardware costs, so he doesn't see any reason to give more than that.
If you see this go to the patreon rn and sign up for like, $1 a month.
I didn't realize there was patrons for lemmy instances
Shit aint free.
I mean when we were over at (the bad place), people were literally donating monthly to pay for server costs. (the bad place) in the early days was basically one giant instance.
except it didnt have a working video player. for-fucking-ever.
so I donate a bit to my mortal enemy @desalines and a bit to lemmy.world to keep the project going. Maybe 5 bucks a month between the two?
Context for people reading this: https://feddit.org/post/2600584
Summary of the answers:
Recent discussion I had with rglullis: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40374812/17448295
For lemmy.world / mastodon.world including some of the smaller instances we host, it's like 0,06 euro per active user per month. If every active user would pay 2 Euro per year that would be enough to cover hosting costs. If every active user would pay 1 euro per month, I could quit my dayjob and focus on the Fediverse fulltime.
(Sidenote: Stux and I created the non-profit Fedihosting Foundation which owns lemmy.world .. but finances are still separate for his and my instances)
Thank you for providing data for LW, and thank you for your sysadmin work!
While we are talking, there have been occurrences of "power tripping" by some LW mods (e.g. https://lemmy.world/post/23229045/14411568?sort=New) , is there any mechanism to escalate this to you?
Sending e-mail to info at lemmy dot world would be the best option. The team will pick that up.
(By the way: 2 EUR per year would be enough if every active user would donate that but they don't)
Thanks, I might send an email later.
By the way: 2 EUR per year would be enough if every active user would donate that but they don’t
Indeed. Have you thought about promoting this in an announcement post?
We have done before, but don't do that often, so we don't bother users too much. But we might do again soon, and maybe do a monthly post on the mastodons/sharkeys etc
Sounds good. db0 started to add flairs, including one for donators, maybe that's something you can consider as well:
Phrased another way: "I don't think you are allowed to make a living out of the work you do here, so thank you for accepting all this for free".
The list of statements where you have the chance to share your values is still unanswered.
I answered here 5 days ago: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40374812/17470674
Which, for some reason, didn't make it to your instance? https://communick.news/comment/4930027
Both versions of the post also show 106 vs 105 comments, so there seems to be something here
I specifically said "you can just say agree or disagree", so please don't come with that "It would take too much time".
Please don't erase nuance from a conversation. Everything isn't yes or no answers.
Please start with the yes or no, the nuances can come after you plainly state your opinion about how much the work of admins is valuable to you.
Are you a child? Who has discussions like this??
Please reply to that comment https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40374812/17470674
What do you mean "so?" Maybe it does provide enough value. Not enough people know that they have to pay real money to keep the servers running. Thus the request...
I meant it as "So what if they ask for help? Do, or don't (donate)"
The initial post came off to me as a dig at the admin for openly asking for money.
The early internet was so good because it mainly consisted from academics or people willing to share knowledge and exchange it. Modern internet is dying because of the fact that most of users are leeches and don't contribute to the equation. Most tech youtube channels are dying because there is no gratification for content creators, it takes a lot of time, money to produce the content and they get no benefit. The end effect is they shut the whole thing down, thank you for the "service", you only contribute to the internet "quality" downfall
I think you're misreading my reply (or i worded it poorly). I agree with you 100% and do contribute to the instances I use and the content creators I watch.