Dé-fédération de hexbear
Dé-fédération de hexbear
Je suis le seul qui a un problème avec cette instance? Il se sont fédérés récemment à la plupart des grosses instances, et à chaque fois que je vois leur commentaires sur certains fils de lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] (par exemple), ça me semble assez probable qu’ils sont liés au PCC. https://jlai.lu/p...
L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.
Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.
Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.
Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.
Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.
Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.
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I asked you why you are right and the U.N. is wrong. You’ve refused to answer that.
No, I've answered why a commission that was looking at only part of the situation could not, by design, conclude to anything else that crime against humanity. That's why I've added the historical element, that you still keep ignoring, for the third time, when it's the main argument in the first place.
You’ve also refused to provide any examples of a reputable international organization that disagrees with the U.N.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#Genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#Ethnocide_or_cultural_genocide
This is what I refer to "wilful ignorance".
Could also check the ICIJ if you'd like independent orgs.
All you’ve done is lie about what the U.N. report says
No, what I did was just pointing out that you were lying by minimizing the actual content of this report, and once I made that obvious, resorted to legalism.
“This has included far-reaching, arbitrary and discriminatory restrictions on human rights and fundamental freedoms, in violation of international laws and standards”, including restrictions on religious freedom and the rights to privacy and movement.
Furthermore, the report said that Chinese Government policies in the region have “transcended borders”, separating families, “severing” contacts, producing “patterns of intimidations and threats” against the wider Uyghur diaspora who have spoken out about conditions at home.
Let's add to that the settlement colonialism and all the other shit I've listed previously, and tell me how it's not an attempt to erase Uyghurs identity and people.
pretend you don’t understand the difference between genocide and mistreatment of prisoners
I do. I guess the holocaust was not a genocide because they were also all rounded up in camps as prisoners. That's legalism that only libshit used to use.
Can you tell me how the following fits the category of "mistreatment of prisoners" more than "genocide" maybe?
- Force them to erase their culture and identity by forcing the loss of customs, culture, religion and language through torture and punishment, even execution (historical)
- Force them to erase their culture and identity by forcing the loss of customs, culture, religion and language through torture and punishment, even execution (modern continuation)
- Have a separate set of laws between undesirables and desirables
- Force this ethnicity to disappear by settling the region with a "purer" ethnicity, having forced marriages and different reproduction quotas for both ethnicities while also having a national policy to send settlers directly live in their home.
- When this doesn't work fast enough and the oppressed people start to rebel one time too many, put them in camps per the millions, deny having camps, when it's too obvious you're lying, lie more saying that's just re-education camps, when it doesn't work again, call them terrorists internment camps.
- Once put into camps, separate the childrens that you'll brainwash into identity erasure
When I see this kind of shit happening in Gaza, I call it a genocide, even before the oct. 7th events. Same in Armenia, Myanmar, Cambodia, Chechenia or whatever else other country doing this shit because I don't use selective acceptance of genocide.
I'm sure you won't answer to this following the argumentative playbook of an authoritarian troll that will most likely dismiss any provided source as western propaganda, or with an argumentative mille-feuilles full of the stupidest takes I've seen.
why a commission that was looking at only part of the situation could not, by design, conclude to anything else that crime against humanity.
If there had been a genocide in Xinjiang, absolutely nothing would have stopped the U.N. from saying so. In its report on Gaza, the U.N. says Israel is "committing war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination." It cites the Genocide Convention and calls on Israel to obey the orders of the ICJ to stop breaking the Genocide Convention, i.e., to stop committing genocide.
This is what you see when there actually is a genocide, as opposed to atrocity propaganda.
Could also check the ICIJ if you’d like independent orgs.
I'm not your secretary. If you have something other than a wiki link (that quotes noted crank Adrian Zenz lmao), let's see it.
Can you tell me how the following fits the category of “mistreatment of prisoners” more than “genocide” maybe?
Xinhua said You expressed the hope “that people in religious circles can inherit and carry forward the fine traditions to love the motherland and their faith, lead religious believers to follow the right faith and abide by the law and contribute to the healthy development of Islam”.
I ask for reputable international organizations that support your argument, you ignore that and spam a bunch of news articles. Most of those articles don't seem to describe anything like genocide, anyway, setting aside the vast difference between "someone published an article" and "the U.N. sent investigators and here is what they found." The article I quoted above is just a press release from China, for example -- no reporting.
Who am I kidding, you aren't even reading the shit you're linking to.
I’m sure you won’t answer to this
What do you think is the point of whining and crying and shitting yourself like this 100 comments deep. Pathetic.
I’m sure you won’t answer to this following the argumentative playbook of an authoritarian troll that will most likely dismiss any provided source as western propaganda, or with an argumentative mille-feuilles full of the stupidest takes I’ve seen.
So, as expected.
Go read some more Wikipedia and jerk yourself off about how smart you are
Quite ironic, coming from someone that most likely "did his own research", and decided to come pollute a subject in a foreign instance with regurgitated fash propaganda. 👍
My research is reports from the UN, yours is skimming Wikipedia
Go fuck yourself