Will libs have a collective realization about Ukraine like they did with Iraq or will they stay stubborn in it forever?
Will libs have a collective realization about Ukraine like they did with Iraq or will they stay stubborn in it forever?
I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the "well Russia was the aggressor" thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.
also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.
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No because the US invaded Iraq and thus is basically impossible to ever defend. They will literally ALWAYS say Ukraine support was justified because Russia started the physical invasion that all the western news agencies reported. Anything that's more complicated than the Iraq invasion is going to be defended forever the same way they deliberately misinterpret Molotov-Ribbentrop, etc.
deliberately misinterpret Molotov-Ribbentrop, etc.
This is a good comparison I think, especially since when the invasion first started and I got into arguing with some libs in a small friend server I was in about it, the admin of the server brought up this very thing to justify the idea that Russia is always evil invasion country. I didnt have the material at the time to object to that idea. So my attempts to do so where met with "well I side with what the historians think". I left the server voluntarily after that but it was treated like a ban for awhile. They let me back and we just dont discuss the Ukraine War at all ever. Politics channel is kinda dead in general lately.
Thank them for their recognition that Kiev is Polish territory.
also very similar to the way the US puppet state in South Korea massacred Korean leftists and failed to comply with agreements for several years, and when the DPRK invades in 1950 the US went wild with the same "unprovoked" bullshit
Yeah, and I know people who buy this one too.
Another "small server I'm in" story (a different, but related one). Server owner has as strict rule about 9/11 jokes that I've been scolded for breaking before. OK fine. But one of his posters posted a meme that involved bombing North Korea, and I objected saying if we can't joke about 9/11 then we shouldnt be able to joke about that because that actually happened and a massive amount of people died ect ect.
Server admin said that that's different because 9/11 was an "unprovoked attack" (lol at it being unprovoked) while "Kim was being a new Hitler" (shorthand for "doing an invasion" I guess, all invasions the same I guess) and therefor the US was justified in bombing them (said civilian deaths are tragic but its still not the same). Luckily in that case his mods revolted against this decision, one because he thought "no jokes about tragedies means no jokes about tragedies" and the other because she agreed with more on a more political level even though she's still mostly a lib. So that decision got overturned and the meme got deleted and it was made clear you can't joke about that. So I "won" but it stuck with me that these are things people actually believe.