The pipeline
The pipeline
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If you read a bit further it even says how it originated in industrial revolution Britain and happened all over the world.
Industrial Britian had an enormous activist labor movement. A slew of left wing thinkers and agitators emerged from the British academic scene, including Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Ghandi.
I'm not asking about socialist or social democratic or labour movement policies in capitalist countries
How are you defining "Capitalist Country" if you ignore all the socialist policies a country has implemented?
Hell, how do you define Socialist Country, if you exclude every one that's undergone Capitalist accumulation?
8-hour work week is a socialist policy, espoused by socialist parties and implemented in governments with socialist majorities. Same with pensions and other public retirement funds.
The more socialists you have setting policy, the shorter your work week and the earlier your retirement.
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Industrial Britian had an enormous activist labor movement. A slew of left wing thinkers and agitators emerged from the British academic scene, including Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Ghandi.
Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was
How are you defining "Capitalist Country" if you ignore all the socialist policies a country has implemented?
Worker ownership of means of production, usually. Let's say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.
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Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was
Capital accumulation is a predicate for the surpluses needed to build a socialist economy.
Worker ownership of means of production, usually.
Public pensions and union shops lay claim to the surplus profits of capital. The UK's union membership peaked in the 1970s, as did its wages/pensions. After Thatcher, that share declined rapidly, as did the supply of council housing, the access to public health care and education, and the various other amenities common to socialist economies.
Let’s say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
- Michael Parenti
Don't get much more "worker ownership of means of production" than that.
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You're not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries here, unless a socialist country for you is the UK in the 70's and unless automation for you is a maoists uprising against landlords.
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You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries
I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.
You can find the same reforms implemented in socialist states ranging from Lenin's Russia to Sankara's Burkino Faso. It wasn't just in England that we got statutory limits on the labor day and rules for overtime pay.
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I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.
And again it's not an achievement of socialist countries specifically. It happened (and originated) in the capitalist countries too.
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it’s not an achievement of socialist countries specifically
It is an achievement of socialism, specifically.
And when the socialists get control of the whole country, it becomes an achievement of a socialist country
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But have socialist countries have such work day shortenings that would be specific to socialist countries?
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Yes.
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Can you give examples?
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https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/revolution/documents/1917/10/29.htm
In the Soviet Union, the eight-hour day was introduced four days after the October Revolution, by a Decree of the Soviet government in 1917
The labor efficiency has risen through better industrial processes and better machinery. Output per worker in the Soviet Union is still low by Western European standards, but it has been showing a healthy rate of advance. The advance has been aided by a campaign against absenteeism. In 1913 the days of actual work per worker in industry were 257. In the fiscal year 1921-22 they had fallen to 219.5. In 1926-27 they were 262.1.
On the other hand the length of the normal working day, which was 10 hours before the war, was reduced to 8 hours at the beginning of the Soviet régime, and for dangerous occupations to 6 hours. During 1926-27 the working day averaged 7.5 hours.
The Council of People's Commissars, on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of the Soviet State, in November, 1927, decreed the gradual introduction of the 7-hour day in industry. This is being put in force first in the textile industry.
From the 1928 release of Soviet Union Information Bureau report on labor.
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