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I swear, we're just witnessing the next power-grab by people richer than us.
Anyone who isn't advocating for Mastodon, the federated option, is either a fool or being fooled.
ATP is also federated, and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub. You're already free to host all of your Bluesky account and all your posts on your own PDS. They're opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.
and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub.
How so?
They’re opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.
Why are they waiting? Why should we trust them?
The "how so" is evident if you try to use any of these platforms regularly. ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don't load feeds at all. Mastodon and Pixelfed have been very disappointing. The software is heavy to run and the monolithic structure means your provider has to run everything in one stack. If that stack can't keep up with demand at any link in the chain, the whole thing falls over
As for why they're waiting, they're waiting on public release because they're in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.
As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what? If you don't trust them with holding your data, self host your PDS and you can host your account and all it's posts yourself. If you don't trust their feed, you can use one of the community's many other feed algorithm options.
Personally I don't have a problem with the current "distributed data, centralised presentation" model since you still have the option to select your own feeds.
I highly recommend reading both the ActivityPub and ATP docs as they're both freely available and easy to read. The difference in design philosophy is apparent in both, and anyone who's ever worked on webscale projects will be able to see why ATPs more distributed model is more scalable.
ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don’t load feeds at all.
I don't have this issue. Maybe it's your internet connection or you're just lying.
As for why they’re waiting, they’re waiting on public release because they’re in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.
Yeah, this sounds like bullshit to placate people like you / what you're told to tell others. This is not a legitimate reason to wait for a public release. Hopefully anyone reading this can judge for themselves.
As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what?
Trust them with "opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity." Why are you ignoring this part and supplementing your own? I assume it's because you don't have a legitimate answer and you're trying to derail and distract.
Of course, you try to send me off and say "just read this, bro. It's all explained here." No. I'm here to scrutinize your support for this centralized, private platform.
Right now, your reasons for supporting it are incorrect at best and malicious at worst.
Everyone reading this: be careful of viral marketing. It's cheaper and more effective for these businesses to advertise their product by having people argue for it like this guy right here than it is to buy an ad on TV or something.
Incidentally, Christine Webber (who probably knows a bit about the subject) was going over how decentralized BlueSky really is or not (spoiler, it's not): https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698
Viral marketing 😂 you're paranoid mate go touch some fucking grass. God this platform is a cesspit.
Yes I am also curious why you say one is more scalable. What's the diff?
ActivityPub based platforms (Mastodon, Pixelfed) are monolithic services. You have to run the entire instance (account hosting, feed generation, moderation etc.) all in one place on one machine.
While you can do work with loads balancing to manage high traffic moments, this approach is still brittle to spikes in load.
ATP separates each of these services and handles how's these services communicate and operate. I can't really explain it better than their documentation, but one easy example to point to is how you can self-hodt your own PDS (Personal Data Server) which stores your account data and posts, meaning you can keep it stored entirely on your own hardware separate from whoever provides your feed building and presentation service.
I'd highly recommend reading both the ATP and ActivityPub documentation as both are very well written and communicated these differences more effectively.
If I have to explain why separation of concerns in the way that ATP approaches things is more scalable, I might suggest doing some reading on web application architecture patterns and the pros, cons, and practical applications of each.
The TL;DR version is that if the different components of your application run independently of each other, it's easier to have redundancy and extra resources in place for the specific components that require it.
This is also helpful for federation, as the end goal of ATP is to be able to host your personal data where you want, use the feed builder that you want, the labeller that you want, the app view that you want, regardless of who runs each service.
Mastodon is trash
So is twitter and all the other clones.
That's still not an excuse to go with the centralized option when centralization is what put people in this position.
Bluesky is better and decentralised
How is it better?
If it's really decentralized, where are the other instances?
It's better than X because there's no nonsense right-wing political propaganda and shitty CEO, and it's better than Mastodon because it's more user friendly.
It is meant to be decentralised, but most people aren't creating their own instances.
So... censorship and not-actually-being-decentralized are your reasons for liking it more?
shitty CEO
Err... don't be fooled. The CEO of bluesky is only in this to make money. If he could do what musk does, odds are he would.
There's no censorship the right-wingers haven't moved to bluesky yet.
not-actually-being-decentralized are your reasons for liking it more
Still better than X and Mastodon, so yes.
If he could do what musk does, odds are he would.
You mean aggressively lobby for right wing takeover and attempt to influence international governance? I have my doubts
Still better than X and Mastodon, so yes.
Except it's not decentralized, so it's not better than Mastodon.
You mean aggressively lobby for right wing takeover and attempt to influence international governance?
I mean do whatever he thinks will make his business the most amount of profit.
You sound like a foot-soldier doing the dirty work for his lord. By that I mean, you're arguing in favor of a platform that only exists to make the owners of it as much money as possible.
Try to see it for what it is.
You’d think a ‘grammarpolice’ would be thinking critically but it seems you live a facade.
Blue sky and all these shitty central versions will end up being the same as twitter. Twitter did not end up being twitter until it was purchased by a billionaire and Mark / Jack are all over BlueSky and it only takes time to tell you the story and you just can’t seem to picture that story it seems or as stated like living in a facade. Greed will win.
it’s better than Mastodon because it’s more user friendly.
This is achieved through centralization. There's a reason nobody else is hosting their own PDS. You use the bluesky app, on the bluesky website, through the bluesky servers.
Once you get passed the massive hurdle of making an account (no different than when we all collectively figured out email), it's the exact same UI and experience.
It always makes me laugh when people say "sign up is hard"...it's 100% just an excuse, and a majority of the time the effort involved before coming to this conclusion is 0.
