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Stand together, no surrender ✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻

Originally posted on https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/1iak445/stand_together_no_surrender/ by /u/JaneOfKish

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Internet disinformation is making this regime seem far more popular than it is. Don’t let that bullshit dishearten you, that’s what the fascists want. The majority is not cool with this, and we can stop it.
- It's hard to believe that "the majority is not cool with this", because that fucker did win the elections. The American people voted for him, how could it be that the majority doesn't want exactly what he's doing?
  
  There was at least some fuckery involved in their win, admittedly.
  
  Gerrymandering and them nullifying voter registrations definitely had a pronounced impact.
  
  Indeed. And I was referring to Trump's weird rambling that "Elon Musk knows 'those vote counting computers'". There is also this report pointing to vote manipulation in Clark County, NV : https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv (and hopefully more reports to come)
  
  Proof? Where is the denounce to the authorities? Does the opposition know? China and Russia would love any info on that, given that their fully sourced counter intelligence apparatus couldn't detect any signal of the elections being a fraud, and you with zero resources, did.
  
  All the new voter suppression laws are public information. 🧌
  
  I can't keep up with the propaganda from the GOP.
  Sometimes Russia and China are omnipotent and scary bad guys that can do anything. Then sometimes they are bumbling and dumb bad guys that just can't do anything right. In the case of Russia, sometimes they are the misunderstood good guys.
  Oh and I forgot, where does the US right stand on Jews now? They were the bad guys faking history but in the last few years they are the good guys. Now that indiscriminate killing in Gaza is over, is the GOP going back to the status quo of pre-2023? After Musk's salutes and the response from the right it does seem like that is going to be the case.
  The GOP fanfic of the world is just so confusing and ever changing.
  
  I’ll note that he didn’t win a majority, just a larger majority than Harris. This win was narrower than his first one iirc, the swing state bullshit just made it seem more dramatic
  
  None of this would've happened without the electoral college bullshit.
  
  A plurality of the people who voted is not the same as the majority of people in the US.
  
  Because the voting system of USA is bad at reflecting what people really want. It was designed from beginning to not be fair.
  
  I think Proportional representation was a checkbox on some of the ballots in the USA.
  It is so much better.
  
  I mean not voting is often/in many places the most popular American presidential candidate, obviously not just because plenty are stupid or apathetic, but also because it's been made pretty hard to vote in many places.
  It's more accurate to say that the majority didn't (manage to) vote against him. So the conclusion is more like the majority didn't care enough to prevent this, instead of the majority wanted this.
  To you it might feel no different but seen from the outside it very much is different. The consequences are still bad, but your consequence shouldn't be resignation, Americas citizens failed themselves sure but they aren't overwhelmingly monsters.
  With the amount of fuckery in terms of media and the whole election process in the US this is a more fair assesment.
  
  Because unfortunately we're a selfish country. That's just how it is...
  
  Remember these are all human beings, many of whom have complex motivations: it is unwise to make assumptions about the one choice you know they made. Try just asking them why they voted for him and what they expect to happen.
  
  Most people didn't vote.
  
  That is objectively false. https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_voter_turnout_in_the_2024_general_election
  A majority voted. 2/3 of America wanted Trump to win. Even if you factor in voter suppression, then it is probably > 3/5. 1/3 of america is openly fascist, <=1/3 of america literally will not lift one single finger to do the easiest thing possible to fight fascists. They 100% will not do the harder things and will do whatever the fascist regime tells them to.
  That leaves 1/3 that at least have the courage to spend the minuscule effort to go and vote, but it is objectively true that the majority of americans voted and that the majority of america either wanted Trump badly or wanted trump enough to not vote for his opponent.
  
  The options proffered were "genocide by a blue president", or "genocide by a red president." This election was incapable of recognizing a majority position of "no genocide".
  
  The best way to get to no genocide was elected the only party that could win, and that was even thinking of ceasefires.
  
  True, and not at all related to the point I was truing to make.
  "America's favorite color" has a ballot featuring chartreuse, mauve, and taupe. This ballot cannot recognize a majority opinion of red, blue, or green. Those options are simply not present.
  Likewise, the ballot we were given in November had no ability to recognize "no genocide" as a majority opinion.
  
  A ballot is like a train, it gets you as close to your destination as possible
  
  That's a reasonable analogy.
  Of course, when every station is further from your destination than from where you originally started, there's no point in even getting on the train.
  
  Sure, but if no station would get you anywhere close to where you want to be I'm not sure what you're looking for from any political party.
  
  I'm merely describing how the ballot was incapable of recognizing the majority position of "No Genocide": There were no "No Genocide" options available on the ballot. One cannot rationally conclude that the majority wanted genocide simply because a genocidal candidate won the election: There was no "no genocide" candidate to vote for.
  If the ballot is a train, the stations on this line are at the sewage treatment plant, the garbage dump, a stagnant swamp, and a rendering plant.
  
  The majority position was clearly pro genocide, hence trumps win. And as per the train analogy getting closer to the no genocide stop means not voting for the repubs, there was a better chance under Kamala.
- Regime? My god you people are insane, and the actual proof you've never lived inside an actual regime is this type of comments.
  Try to even say something like this on an actual regime, and prepare your ass to be tortured non stop for months.
  Can't find you? Don't worry, your family will work for that as well. No family? Friends and acquaintances will do in a pinch.
  Citizens in a real regime are afraid to even talk in public forums because they know there are intelligence agents running spy operations on them .
  You people cheapen the torture and barbarism that real people suffer daily just to feel self righteous in your fake posturing and virtue signaling.
  Absolutely disgusting
  
  Are you really gate-keeping fascism?
  Just because we can see this coming, and it's not terrible yet doesn't mean it's not terrible.
  The kind of person you are calling 'disgusting' is empathetic to all forms of oppression and not just focused on the US local landscape -- we just see it happening here right now and are calling it out. We have also been calling it out when it occurs elsewhere.
  Doing anything to limit or inhibit the spread of information about what is occurring is more disgusting than being fascist to begin with. Fuck off.
  
  That is their goal and we are trying to avoid getting there. Democracy is fragile and what you've described is a very likely possibility that we must stop.
  
  Dude shut up you fucking dork.

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