Kim Jong-un bans hotdogs for North Koreans, cooking them an act of treason
Kim Jong-un bans hotdogs for North Koreans, cooking them an act of treason
It's one of the most popular items around the world. Now it's banned in North Korea.
Not the hotdogs!
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According to reports,...
It is claimed that....
According to Radio Free Asia (RFA)....
According to RFA,....
Yeah this is fake.
The hotdog looked at you?
How so? Genuinely asking. Is that not a credible source?
It's a piece of media that's critical of a fascist regime, and the person who says it's fake is a .ml
if they ever answer, it'll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That's as close to an explanation of "why it's fake" as you'll get.
You should always be critical of any media that doesn't have a concrete source though. I don't personally know anything about radiofreeasia, so fuck if I know how reliable they are to begin with.
if they ever answer, it’ll be dismissive about how all western media is biased against china/nk/Russia. That’s as close to an explanation of “why it’s fake” as you’ll get.
Look through the modlog for Removed Comments. The answers kesucay is removing talk about how it's a CIA-linked org with staff appointed by Washington.
And none of them back those claims up. Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
Now then, are you here to defend Kim Jong Un too?
And none of them back those claims up.
"those claims" meaning that RFA is linked to US intelligence/politics?
Are you saying RFA isn't a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
See 1st paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Or actually attack the credibility of the story.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that "hot dogs are banned in North Korea". It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
There's no reason to think the story is credible. I've searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
Are you saying RFA isn’t a branch of US interests? I have never heard anyone make that claim before.
No, I'm saying that their reporting and fact-checking is credible.
38north.org is a pretty decent source on North Korean news.
Yes, it certainly appears to be.
You have the burden of proof backwards: WHY would anyone believe that “hot dogs are banned in North Korea”. It simply makes no sense. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Because North Korea's dictatorship has a well-documented history of atrocities and bizarre, freedom-limiting proclamations. Heck, it's well-known for banning foods that it considers contrary to its culture, such as sushi, and it's hard to imagine a more western food than hotdogs.
There’s no reason to think the story is credible. I’ve searched it and it appears RFA posted it in November, then The Sun picked it up 3 days ago. Then various repeaters.
And RFA is credible.
On closer inspection, everyone who claimed it's fake is from .ml, and they all post to the same anti-western, pro-fascist subs. I think they're brigading everywhere this story got posted.
I'll be banning the lot of them shortly.
It is absolutely a credible source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I'm not sure what Porcupine is going on about.
No.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/radio-free-asia/
I don't know why you're trying to claim this is fake, Radio Free Asia is a credible source, and North Korea is ruled by a brutal and insane dictator. This is a credible news story, and it stays.
Mediabiasfactcheck is not exactly unbiased themselves.
They're self-contradictory in their own assessment here. They find no failed fact checks, yet their accuracy is rated as "High", not "Very high". No motivation is provided for this. They also state RFA lists sources, but most articles on North-Korea especially only cite "Residents in the country", thus not providing anything verifiable. It's also why most major news outlets don't use RFA as a source, their stories are not verifiable. It's mostly sensationalist tabloids like The Sun in this instance that uses them as a source.
Additionally, Wikipedia does mention some failed fact checks, especially concerning anti-vaccine misinformation. See the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia under Controversies.
RFA is not a particularly credible source for this reason. It's basically impossible to prove many of their claims, so scepticism is warranted.
This of course doesn't detract from the fact that NK is ruled by a nutcase dictator who brutally oppresses his people. But we don't have to necessarily trust a story with as much credibility as some fanfiction here. This story could well be true, but I don't want to assume that this is fact based on the nonexistent sourcing.
Source on the claims about Kim's psychiatric health? Or are you being ableist?
Based on what? That you don't know it?
https://www.rfa.org/english/I don't see anything particularly wrong with it on the surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia
The service, which provides editorially independent reporting,[6][7][8][9][10][11] has the stated mission of providing accurate and uncensored reporting to countries in Asia that have poor media environments and limited protections for speech and press freedom.
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
If the best RFA-apologia source you can come up with says they "published anti-vaccine misinformation", they're not credible.
6 references to the Independent reporting part! Seems pretty OK to me.
Did you just count the number of sources and call it a day?
- The DW source (which @Lumidaub@feddit.org casts doubt on) says "RFA is funded by the US Congress but with a mandate of editorial independence."
- The Washington Post source fails verification – it does not mention anything about editorial independence
- The Atlantic source just says "The Daily was not the only organization targeted. Radio stations broadcasting Radio Free Asia and Voice of America, U.S.-backed services that provide independent news to many rural Cambodians, were shuttered, as was the U.S.-funded National Democratic Institute."
- I can't get the immigration journal article
- The Hill source mentions that Joe Biden (the President of the USA) had the authority to dismiss the CEO, i.e. they are not independent of the state
- the Vox source is the clearest: it says that the reason these "editorial independence" claims are popping up (in spite of politicians firing CEOs) is coz of the International Broadcasting Act of 1994 PDF, which I suppose refers to Section 305(18)(d)
Anyway RFA have a long-standing awful reputation, CIA links, and the hot-dog story is implausible on the face of it. You're making me do a lot of work to debunk fairly obvious misinformation.
The DW source (which @Lumidaub@feddit.org casts doubt on)
lolno I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth.
Imagine defending RFA
Please provide backing for claims that this story is fake and that Radio Free Asia is not credible.
The facts –
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Radio Free Asia was involved in anti-vaxx campaigns in the Philippines
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Radio Free Asia is associated by Radio Free Europe, a CIA operation to smear anti-USA regimes.
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RFA staff are appointed by the government of the USA, known to be hostile to North Korea
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Also, the story is just silly on the face of it and common sense says it's made-up.
Source for anti-vax claim?
You do know where DW, the one source you provide, gets its money?
Source for anti-vax claim?
Buffalox already posted it.
? I'm not going to hunt down whatever you're referring to.
DW money?
Brandolini's law moment.
You want me to "hunt down" the DW background? I'll do the labour if you do, ok?
I know the DW background, I live in the country they're based in. I'm asking if you know the background of the source you use.
Also, still waiting for anti-vax source.
On 11 May 2021, Fact-checker First Draft News found that Chinese- and Cantonese-language versions of Radio Free Asia (RFA) published anti-vaccine misinformation regarding the Chinese vaccines, particularly the ones manufactured by Sinopharm and Sinovac. The investigation found the RFA articles amplified misleading claims about the vaccine programs, and its stories were reprinted by popular tabloid newspapers to reinforce the anti-vaccine misinformation.
From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia See the controversies section.
Dw is founded entirely by the German culture&media ministry: https://corporate.dw.com/de/wer-finanziert-die-deutsche-welle/a-279073
The point made was probably that it is ironic you wold use them as a source for RFA being government-founded insinuating that makes them inherently biased.
Now you go.
Ah. So you don't actually have any credible citations to back up your contentions about RFA, you just don't like them saying true things that put North Korea (!) in a negative light.
Weird to go to bat for an insane dictator, but hey, you do you.
Or rather, I should say, you do you somewhere else. Not here. Bye.
Did you just ban him? because he gave you the information you asked for?
They banned them for being a dedicated propaganda account for complying with their request. This shows two things:
- Propaganda is when someone says things you disagree with.
- The moderator here lacks integrity.
The moderator here lacks integrity.
psycho killer: kescusay
Good thing I'm from the "safe instance". Apparently two people with similar opinions from the "bad instance" constitutes brigading. If my eyes rolled any harder, they'd pop.
Every pro-North Korea post was coming from a group of accounts that all post to the same anti-Western and pro-fascism subs on .ml. I've banned the lot of them, and don't feel the slightest twinge of remorse about it.
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