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The oral polio vaccine actually did that. It used an attenuated virus that didn't just confer immunity on the recipient; the mild infection from that weakened virus was (somewhat) transmissible to the community at large. Everyone who was directly vaccinated via OPV had a small but significant chance of infecting and thus immunizing the people around them.
Of course, there was also the problem that the attenuated vaccine occasionally mutated, and about 25 years ago, we got to the point that the vaccine was actually causing more cases of paralytic poliomyelitis than the almost entirely eradicated wild variants...
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The same thing that always happens will happen: I can’t take it! It makes me sick!
(For a day).
The resilience and lack of capacity for any discomfort at all is mind boggling. A fever for 1 day probably won’t kill you, will protect your family, and save you A LOT of money in medical bills and work loss (paycheck loss) going forward.
I’ve done 2 things post COVID booster, and post H1N1 which was live attenuated in the nose: stayed home and played a computer game, or, took Tylenol and gone about my day.
It amazes me that society continues to function given people the number of people who can’t handle minor life discomforts without complete personal implosion. Granted, the grace with which COVID masking for 10-20min at a time was handled by the masses is a marker of that.
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I had a bad reaction to the covid vaccines (the second shot of Pfizer, first was fine) and as a result havent had a single booster.
I got heart palpitations and my heart randomly races and I get lightheaded and dizzy. Ever since the vaccine. Didn’t get covid till 2022.
Both grandfathers died of heart attacks, father died of heart failure. I’m not fucking around with further covid vaccines when I can just get a milder form of covid from the wild.
For the record, other than the chickenpox vaccine (couldn’t prove my mother had it or chickenpox so it was too risky to her for me to get) I’m fully vaccinated. I don’t bother with the flu shot, everyone I know who’s gotten it gets the fucking flu from it and is down for the count for a solid week.
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There is the myocarditis link, tail of the bell curve rates. In young men it typically resolves, but again, outliers exist. That said, last check it happens more often, statistically, after getting COVID in the wild. There’s also been a link of men under 40 with a-fib, not after the shot, but after having COVID, organically. Do your own deep dove on afib. Capturing afib in testing can be difficult because people can move in and out of that rhythm between feeling symptoms and getting to the doctor for testing. It’s caught in hospital more often because the testing can be sent to the bedside within minutes of feeling symptoms.
And two things can happen organically at the same time and be completely unrelated. We tend to blame the new, external event, hence the need for statistics. There was a “link between breast implants and autoimmune disorders” disproved back in the 90s. People wanted to blame the new, external thing: the breast implant. Turns out, statistically, the rates of autoimmune, with or without breast implants, were the same.
The flu thing, I’m skeptical, since most flu is done within 5 days. Most, outliers exist. Unless you’re getting reports from people who can’t stop feeling bad about feeling bad for days after an illness.
As an older adult, chicken pox is harder to handle, typically. Again, outliers exist. Shingles is downright painful, burning painful, by most accounts.
This is all talk your provider territory, not get your info from random dipshits on Lemmy or Reddit.
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I’m terrified of chicken pox and I let everyone in my life know that I don’t have immunity nor vaccination so if they’re ever in contact with a sick child they need to stay far away from me. I was told I can’t get the vaccine now because I’m too old? And can’t get the shingles shot because I’m not vaccinated nor have I had chickenpox?
I’m essentially screwed. Luckily I mostly avoid children so hopefully I’ll be alright. At this point I’d probably end up hospitalized from it. I know it’s very serious.
Also re myocarditis I’m female. I heard it only affects males, and as I’m sure you know basic medical research involving women pretty much doesn’t fucking exist. We have completely different heart symptoms than men, and IIRC heart disease is the number one killer of women because it goes undiagnosed for so long since it presents differently than men.
I’ve had long covid, I’ve had weird heart shit happen, I’m an athlete and fit, don’t smoke tobacco and drink socially. I’ve gone to the free clinic (yay American health care!) and they were just like yeah it’s long covid you’re fine. But no tests, no follow ups, nothing. I have no insurance and I have medical trauma so I avoid doctors like the plague. Generally I get gaslit about my symptoms so why fucking bother.
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Small pox too. Milk maids were exposed to cow pox as part of the job and as a result were immune to small pox.
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True, but then we developed the smallpox inoculation, which had roughly a 70-30 chance of killing you outright.
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