iriyan @ iriyan @lemmy.ml 帖子 3评论 73加入于 2 yr. ago
I am making it all up this never existed, I remember strongly Carter, Raegan, Bush speaking on tv and then there was a Jack Daniels commercial ..
You don't need an ad, or a warning of the risks, you know it is there for the past 50+ years and the right guy that sells it. Just like prozac or ritalin, if you can afford the prescription
The vast majority of homeless in the US historically has been women with children (not and but with) who were not substance abusers. The image of being homeless because of substance abuse was right-wing/neo-liberal propaganda to shift blame to the victims. And just like their spiritual father Goebels said, throw mud and some of it will stick (for generations I might add). The way the image was reinforced was because sub.abusers were more visible, declining shelters when available, or safer out of site places. So people actually saw what they were told. When you see a woman with a cart full of stuff and a kid or two following her on the street you don't identify her as homeless, the sub.abuser laying down in a carton box you do.
Am I making this up?
What media can safely say 71% of the audience is over 21? A scary movie? Something with explicit sex, what, because that is what teens will run and watch.
Federal and local courts went head to head about alcohol advertising in the 90s and targeting teens (or under aged drinkers 21 in the US since early 1980s). Remember Coors nearly going bankrupt, or Camel being attacked because of their camel cartoon character ads? Superficial hypocritical measures that only lawyers and insurance companies can appreciate.
The division between beer and malt-liquor/liquor in the US is very specific to US regulation that separates beer from liquor. From state to state to sell liquor beer and wine may be separate licenses.
Did any of this have an impact in reducing under 21 addiction, mortality, DUI rates? NO!!
Those who live in a historical vacuum and think the world is summerized in a still picture ... For decades there were no tv ads in America's public tv ... are we living in parallel universe ... The first hit I get on search engines is NBC admitting to voluntarily end a 50y long policy of not airing liquor ads.
I see big tobacco just fine, and consumers didn’t hit big tobacco, the US government did by stepping on falsified findings of the ills of 2nd hand smoke.
What do you mean “falsified findings?”
There is no evidence today of the ills of 2nd hand smoke, so how did this support back then came about the 2nd hand smoke is just as dangerous?
There is so much false rhetoric and propaganda in addictive substances it is pathetic. Just search around on medical centers treating addictions, look for nicotine, being accused for cancer, heart disease ... there has never been any evidence that other than a psychological addiction that nicotine alone causes any harm. If you suffer from hypertension and have weak vessels, yes you can die from it, but you can die from coffee or just getting scared.
Ok, peace, tell us more about Hitchens :)
I think it is stagnating. people having more access to technology based gadgets but the only thing that changed is earth abuse to support production of gadgets. So not only is it not saving us, it is literally killing us.
That is what I "always" thought, motorcycling will get me and I wouldn't want to live without being able to ride ... but then it happens, you don't and you get to live with what you never though you would be. ...
Some friend came along today and had Frank Sinatra "my way" playing for a ring, immediately I searched the tube and found Sid Vicious' "my way" and played it back ... he never got old. I guess they can take our lives away but we get to keep the mind young if we want... and look back to see if we are happy with choices, even the worst mistakes.
The weirdest feeling is that the older you get the more you feel time is accelerating ... you get older faster and faster after a certain age.
The realization that I may never live to see capitalism collapse
Anthopology has provided clear evidence, in all times, in all tribes and continents, the percentage of people that will abuse substances that affect the mind has been steady, and there is nothing anyone can do about it, they will find the substance in the wilderness if it is not in the market.
Alternatively both politically and economically certain entities will use this weakness to control and manipulate people, either by promoting one, or by criminalizing another. Miami became big and important during prohibition because politicians would travel down there to drink and ... whatever else they needed. Bootlegging lasted twice or more after prohibition was reverted, mostly because industrial production wasn't there to cover the need/market.
Opium smoking was common in Europe among the elites all the way to early 20th century. The poor just smoked cheaper stuff.
The WHO are hypocrites than need to hang high and dry
If you don't understand something in specific ask me to explain it.
Summary: The WHO are a bunch of hypocrites serving big-pharma interests and feeding propaganda
We have more important things to discuss than what WHO does or doesn't when we will never be asked by WHO on our opinion or whether we choose to support those nobodies.
For decades US-TV wasn't showing alcohol ads, no effect. Since I watch no tv or US sports, I wouldn't know they begun showing them again. During the decades I watched tv (star-trek NG, taxi, cheers, mork&mindy,SNL) there were never alcohol commercials.
Cigarette labeled packs with horror pics and messages in EU had no effect, but socially pressuring people to quit smoking had a dramatic increase in anti-depressant medication. CIgarettes in the EU all look alike now, less than 10% of the box is left for brand/color/label etc. Nobody pays attention to what the box says.
Italian hospitals first, then French, came out saying they had deaths with symptoms and went back to stored blood samples and were positive for SARS-cov2 ... 2months before the first case in China. The Who was still saying that the evidence on where in China the virus originated were inconclusive. They are still publishing reports on covid based on data that only a handful of countries are still providing. They are the joke of the health sector. Big-Pharma must have cut their bribes down and they are seeking bribes from Alcohol companies.
What is the legal drinking age in Aus? When the Kuwait war started there were kids sent to fight in an unheard land before, and they did and some came back and still couldn't drink legally in the US. You can drive at 16, on a mandatory draft you could be drafted as young as 16, but you have to be 21 to drink and 18 to buy cigarettes. You can sell crack and crystal-meth on the streets, illegal weapons, flesh, easy when you are 15, but you have to pay a homeless drunk to buy you wine or a pack of Camels.
That is your free market hypocrisy at work.
How else can I explain it, there are millions of children dying because of food and water shortages, but WHO thinks alcohol labels will benefit peoples' health ...
Somebody get us some rope ...
Kid, NBC had banned alcohol ads from their network for 50y that is half the 20th century I had no idea I am speaking to minors here
Turkey and Israel who are backing different factions
They are not backing factions, they have illegally entered Syria and occupied parts of it. Europe is not, has never been, and will never be one thing, especially under the boot of the German pseudo-state. EU is basically Europe, and NATO in a way is the same +US/UK, but some states pay an arm and a leg to contribute to what NATO is and some states think they are smart by not paying (and paying means buying from the US mil.industry). This is the object. The US is using Russia to force insecurity to some weak states, like Finland and Sweden, to pay if they want to ever be defended. So Russia is playing the bad guy because it is not left with an option of avoiding being the bad guy.
So those that pay less than 2-2.5% will have to come up with their own defense plan, and the day after they are dropped off protectionism, their products going or coming from across the world will be attacked by pirates and there will be nobody to defend them. Piracy is booming near most large passages, and it is the US fleets that sell protection to whoever is buying.
So go back and see again Europe, who is paying protection, who needs it the most, who has the most to lose, who is more dependent on energy and other resources to support their social stability and economy, it is pin pointing one pseudo-country. One that never passed a resolution that is not under occupation and control of another due to losing THE WAR!
No? You want to build Mercedes in China and sell them to New Zealand? Who will protect your ships? You want to depend on cheap energy from Russia but you want to have a say on what Russia will or will not do? Pay! Stingy ... Homie don't play dat!
wipe the foam off your Stalinist mustache you zombie reviving creep
What I am saying is that all the ad restrictions hadn't had an effect to really decrease alcohol consumption.
Redirect what argument, that WHO decided to waste more billions of financing to pretend they are doing something beyond stating the obvious? Why don't we go back a few years and see what WHO did to assist and hash propaganda about covid originating in China and other myths without ever going back and dismissing the myths when clear evidence came out that it was all political propaganda fabrications.
The WHO is just like the UN, it sells the middle class of the western world some assurance that funding is going to organizations looking up for humanities best interests.
And who are we to discuss whether this dumb unscientific proposal has any value? Nobody asked us, it is just tax money being funneled somewhere for industry to draw legitimacy for their causes when it needs it.
Drinking is not bad alone, abusing alcohol is, being an alcoholic is bad. What would tags do to alocoholics? You can put a live screen showing them their own liver turning to plaster and they will still empty the bottle.
Meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of people dying from simple curable diseases, kids dying, some dying simply from thirst for clean water or basic nutrient deficiencies. WHO is proposing to put warning on 50yo Cognac bottles.
So you must be a biochemist, in which case you would have no problem explaining to us lesser mortals how different the formulas are and how unrelated they are.
You would also by the topic know exactly in which journals to search and find whether this is far-fetched or not, and you have access to them when the rest of us have to pay.
If you are not even close to that field to tell how can you be so sure to put it mildly?
Do you know how many scientific findings are right there, published, but millions are paid so media do not make "common sense" out of them?
What is wrong and so special about kids in the US that such a high percentage require ritalin? Why not the kids of the rest of the world? What are the side-effects of long term ritalin addiction?
At least tobacco takes decades to kill you but will keep your mind sharp if you need it.
We had discussions before and you agreed back then and then started disagreeing and blocking and banning me, erasing documents and so on, so I wouldn't waste a second more in talking to you. Go back to your @heretical_i friend who can tolerate garbage like yourself.
You agree on anti-capitalism but you take the safety off when discussing Stalin .... you can't tolerate it, or control it.
The quantities of oil Venezuelans sleep on top is what makes oil an issue, not the US economy. The US economy is heavily developed and influenced by oil interests.
You have anti-capitalist parties running in elections in Venezuela, do you know of one in the US?
I didn't know that being naive in politics is an insult, many people discussing politics are. But if you think there can be a capitalist government without corruption then "naive" is the mildest characteristic one can throw at you. Was Bolivar naive for turning against the Spanish imperialists?
You said you are "from" Vz I never said a thing about the US as being associated with it. You can be Chilean and I can be from Nicaragua, and we would still be talking about the US when discussing politics.
I can be from Vietnam and you would be from Eritrea, still the US is something we would discuss.