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  • I'm not saying don't blame the hijackers, I'm saying blame the hijackers for the hijacking (which in turn killed thousands) and blame Bin Laden for planning it and getting those hijackers to do the hijacking. They're both guilty, but without Bin Laden ordering 9/11 those hijackers wouldn't have done it. I'm not saying they wouldn't have something else bad. I'm not saying they're innocent. But Bin Laden did something worse than those individual hijackers.

  • I don't disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn't ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It's not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I'm more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven't?

  • You're right, but the referendum wouldn't be about which action the voters want the Hungarian governmentment to take it would be about which action they want the EU to take. A government shouldn't be able to sabotage the wellbeing of it's people against their will. The EU should be there for the people, not it's government.

  • It really is becoming an orange Gestapo. Quick fact, Gestapo (Geheime Staatspolizei) is an abbreviation for Secret State Police. Secstapo doesn't sound as good tho.

    Also, I recently came across this list. Might be useful for the American freedom fighters.

    Twenty Lessons for Fighting Tyranny https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/article/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny/

  • Thanks, for your summary. I think he's right about different kinds of guilt being judged in different ways. If someone commits a crime and gets away with it, that doesn't mean that person will never feel the guilt. It sounds like a good read.

  • I disagree, he's not still in power because he fairly won free elections time and again. The Hungarian democracy is broken, especially because the media and legal system are compromised. There is plenty of people wanting Hungary to be a democratic country part of the EU. The same goes for Serbia, where massive protests are showing that more clearly at the moment.

  • Emotionally I agree, rationally I think I'd set a bad precedent if we give up on the Hungarians as people because we're fed up with the actions of their government. Would be more fair to have some kind of referendum: stay in EU and ditch Orban vs leave the EU and keep Orban