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Absolutely. It's just that the guy driving a 15 year old Hyundai isn't exactly the "wealthy class". Laws like this affect mostly people who can barely afford cars, not people who can easily afford them. Actually I think the wealthy would be more annoyed if there were MORE people driving so more traffic jams, but that's not a solution either.

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The has got to be an alternate route that is nicer than that, that’s wild.

Well they could also be lying or exaggerating to make a point, but we don't really know.

But I get that sone areas are incredibly car centric and leave you little choice.

That's what I witnessed when I visited the US, though I went on the east coast so not as car centric as the rest of the country. Haven't been to India, so I'm not sure how bad it is there for real.

My own country isn't exactly the paragon of public transit, but it's good enough that you've got literal carbrains going "eh I could just take the bus to work and have a fun project car instead of a boring daily commuter". Walking is an option pretty much everywhere too, even the large stroads leading in and out of cities (essentially the highway continuing into the city, really), have sidewalks and pedestrian crossings. If I need to go 1 KM in any direction here, I walk

Estonians had the right to an education in Estonian before the occupation as well. Before Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe.

What would have happened under the rule of Nazism

Unspeakable things. Which is why I'm not a fan of the fact that the nazis and soviets literally divided up Europe to be shared among themselves. The soviets actually enabled nazis initially. They only later fought the nazis out of self-preservation, not principle, when Hitler's paranoia made him make the first move against the soviets.

Non-Russians weren't equal in the soviet empire either. It was a bit less racial than national there though - the people living in the core of the empire had more privileges, it just wasn't official policy.

As you may understand, I'm not against the principles of socialism. It's just that for anyone living in Eastern Europe, history with the soviet union has soured things.

And a meat company has been named after them in my country lol

You're not local so you wouldn't know. The leaders hailed dekulakization as landlord removal but it was really just about anyone who was well off through their own family's labor too. And political opponents obviously. It was a dark time and we still mourn all the lives lost to the labor camps.

Mexico never oppressed America like this. There's been conflicts, but the US was never forcefully occupied by Mexico.

Mate, I'm Estonian. Get the fuck out of here with any soviet praise.

The soviet way was to have the elites be rich, while deporting regular people with too many cows in their barn to Siberia. They were doing pretty much what ICE is doing in the US right now - complain that your neighbour is a kulak, and they get removed. Only in the US it's "complain that your neighbour is MS-13, and they get removed". Plus the 5 year economic plans brought with them lovely things like the Holodomor.

China is going to have the most billionaires of any nation in probably less than a decade. "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" is just capitalism with actual oversight. Truth is, their government, particularly the court system, actually sides with corporations more than people. Try criticizing a major corporation and you're fucked. Not even just Chinese corporations. You can't criticize fucking Tesla in China.

If you want an actual example of the success of communism, there's always Cuba. They're blockaded by pretty much everyone, and yet have a pretty good standard of living. Better healthcare than many European nations, let alone the US. They may be poor, but that's more the US's fault than Cuba's own.

        Why not India? Tough to say


  

i.e. you don’t have a serious analysis.

Do you?

So why don’t they have South-Korean style development?

Are Chaebols a good thing now?

Yes, you can also see mopeds and such in the photo. 2 stroke mopeds of course are even worse for emissions than cars. Modern 4 stroke ones not so much, but if you're limited to 50cc, they're ridiculously underpowered, not particularly long lasting, etc. Not sure what the regulations on this area in India.

And sure, you can definitely walk. You can walk on the side of a highway too, nobody's stopping you. Why are people complaining about car centric city design in the US? You CAN walk. It's not safe to in many places, but you CAN.

For real though, some people don't want to walk on what is essentially a highway. It's unsafe. There should be better options for pedestrians.

Why did China develop and industrialize while India didn’t? Why didn’t the same process as in China take place in Indonesia or Philippines or Bangladesh or Pakistan, all of them capitalist countries

China mixes and matches capitalism with state capitalism and socialism. They use subsidies to squash overseas competition, that's why you can get things for basically free, shipping included, from Aliexpress. China has almost as many billionaires as the US - and is going to overtake them soon enough.

They're smart in utilizing protectionism too. It's way harder for western companies to sell things to the Chinese than Chinese companies to sell things to the west. For an example, Volkswagen sells cars through joint ventures with Chinese companies. They can't just have a western-owned company selling the cars.

Why not India? Tough to say. For one reason or another, China became the factory of the world. Since then, they've made a lot of smart decisions to both profit from it as much as possible, and retain their status (just look at Shenzhen. There's no alternative in the world). The other countries you mentioned could never have the economies of scale that China does. India is the only one that theoretically could.

The environmental break even period for EVs is getting shorter and shorter as the power grids get cleaner and cleaner.

It was a somewhat solid argument against buying new EVs to replace working ICE cars over 10 years ago, but now it's really not.

That's what I've heard as well. Unfortunately not a lot of authentic Thai restaurants here in Estonia. Will be sure to try one when I see a promising place and have an evening I'm prepared to spend in agonizing pain.

which is why all poverty alleviation in the past half a century comes from China, which took 800 million people out of poverty and extreme poverty.

Uhhh China has been embracing capitalism for a few decades now, sorry to say.

Problem with the "global south", on the local level, is not even capitalism vs socialism. It's corruption. The corruption of course stems from the poverty. When the leaders of your country come from poverty, had to gain power by force, and suddenly have access to resources... They do tend to abuse their access.

Yes, a functional socialist leadership is the best way forward for any of these countries, but even a well regulated capitalist system would be better than the leaders just selling their country to a bunch of corporations to increase their own wealth.

ITT: Some people want OOP's wife and kid to walk to school on what's essentially a highway. Others seem to realize that there might be a reason why OOP's wife needs the car, and given that OOP's done 65000 km in 15 years, he's not exactly doing a whole lot of driving with it.

There's also suggestions of using public transport, but if that even exists for their route, OOP's wife can't exactly just go walk on a bus, she could get gang raped, because this is Delhi.

We're not talking about a big SUV either. It's a tiny little hatchback, the most city-friendly car possible:

The situation sucks for everyone involved. Whereas in the west we're used to it being just a transit availability issue, in parts of the world there's also the safety issue. Yes, the famous gang-rape-set-on-fire-murder case was 13 years ago, but that doesn't mean Delhi is magically safe now. It's still a huge issue.

What if the walk is on a busy road with no sidewalks?

Guess what:

OP of course says that he's used to walking in worse, therefore OOP's kid should also just walk on the sidewalkless busy road.

I walked (or cycled or took the bus in the winter) to school when I was a kid, but this is not a safe environment, why do we want kids to walk here:

He also posted a photo of the road. It's 2 lanes of chaotic traffic in each direction, no sidewalk. You can't walk there, you'll get hit by something sooner or later. It supposedly also gets up to 44C (of course on an asphalt road the air temp might be higher than that). I choose to believe that because apparently the temperature record in New Delhi is over 50C.

He also posted a photo of the road. It's 2 lanes of chaotic traffic in each direction, no sidewalk. You can't walk there, you'll get hit by something sooner or later. It supposedly also gets up to 44C (of course on an asphalt road the air temp might be higher than that). I choose to believe that because apparently the temperature record in New Delhi is over 50C.

Unfortunately fuel being burned in other countries is still heating up their environment.

Also idk if you've heard, but India isn't exactly a rich place. A lot of people can't afford EVs. Despite the fact that yes, the Indian market has cheap options available. But my man in the tweet has been nursing a Hyundai i10 for 15 years. He ain't exactly trying to spend money on cars.

The entire policy is designed to hurt poor people that are car dependent (if you look at the photo of the street in his other tweet, you'll see why he isn't walking the 1 kilometer. There's no sidewalk).

If the government also gave him a good public transit option with AC, the fuel ban could easily be justified. As it is now, rich people will buy newer cars and poor people will be criminals, or take on debt they can't afford to get buy newer cars.

Honestly if he's done 65000 km in 15 years it may well be that he only uses it to drive routes where you literally can't walk, like this one.