Admiral Patrick @ admiralpatrick @lemmy.world

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The discussion you're chiming in on wasn't even about this article; it was about one from a week ago. And now you're butting in with the wrong context, making unfounded accusations, jumping to conclusions, and throwing out personal attacks.. Keep up or keep out.

Mod removals should link to this automatically and be more transparent for why comments were removed in the first place

I linked to the modlog through Lemmy World's instance of Tesseract. I'm the dev of that UI, and I agree with you that removal reasons should be more accessible.

A version or two ago I built in a feature to automatically resolve the removal reason and append it where the comment would be, right there in the comment section. If that's disabled, there's a button to take you to the modlog for that item.

If Tesseract isn't your cup of tea, maybe ask the dev of your client to add a similar feature.

I'm done. I'm fucking done. You've moved the goalposts so far beyond the original that I don't think we're even in the same state we started out in.

Bottom line: You were espousing dangerous rhetoric given how flippantly people around here resort to calling others nazis (the subjects of articles and other users both). You can't just deem/call someone a nazi and use that as an excuse for "anything goes". I've explained how that is a dangerous cocktail.

Say what you will. If it's in violations of the rules, it'll probably get modded. If the behavior repeats, you may get a ban. That's not specific to you; it applies to everyone. In no way are mod actions here to be interpreted as anything other than maintaining a civil atmosphere and adherence to the community rules and the LW TOS.

Don't like it? Go over to YPTB and whine and spin another tall tale about how mods here are fascist bootlickers because we won't let people screech for violence. Or you can go find another community that allows that kind of bullshit. Frankly, I don't give a fuck.,

I've explained the rationale behind the mod actions clearly and more than once. If you don't get it by now, I'm not going to entertain you any further.

They're literally in the modlog - all you have to do is look.

https://t.lemmy.world/modlog?community=1347

Possibly, yes. Resistance comes in many flavors. There are benefits to having people inside, whether that is to smuggle information, provide small comforts to those affected, be eyes and ears, etc.

The point is you (nor I) do not know anything about this guy other than the bits in the article, and there is not enough information to merit a response such as "he is not human and deserves imprisonment or worse". I'm not defending him specifically (again, insufficient info), but I am condemning you (and anyone else painting the world in such broad strokes) for throwing out assumptions, espousing dehumanizing rhetoric based upon those assumptions, and the hypocritical advocacy of imprisoning people you deem not human.

TL;DR: You're advocating the same tactics used by those you so abhor on a platform where the demographic calls each other nazis in the comments like it's a cheat code to winning an argument. I've already explained why this rhetoric is dangerous.

Yes, and? Those were not the people the post in question was about. You just unilaterally declared the subject of that post a nazi, decreed that they're not human (dehumanizing), and that they deserved to be imprisoned because of that. When other commenters pointed out how hypocritical your take was, you doubled down.

The only thing the article mentioned about the guy was that he was a Trump voter. Yes, the nazi bar analogy exists but it's also true that some people really are just that stupid or brainwashed or otherwise poisoned by the Kool-Aid. Wsa the guy a piece of shit person? Perhaps. Misinformed? Perhaps. An actual Nazi that deserves to be imprisoned or worse? That's a wee bit of a dangerous stretch given that there was insufficient information to rationally arrive at that conclusion.

I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human.

That's literally dehumanizing. I don't know how you think there's a difference. If you decree that someone is not human, then what else can you possibly call that?

Why are you tolerant of nazis enough...

I'm not. That's just the conclusion you jumped to because I modded you for dehumanizing people in the same way the ones you have such strong opinions about have done. Again, yes, the paradox of tolerance exists, but it is not a blank check for that kind of behavior.

Ok see? We're not even talking about the same thing. And yet the word Nazi is in the undertone.

Yes actual Nazis are bad. (I can't believe I have to fucking clarify that; jesus goddamned christ on rubber crutches 🤦‍♂️). But lemmy just throws that word around so cavalierly and indiscriminately it's hard to even take it seriously anymore. Add on people dehumanizing anyone they personally think is a nazi, and that's a recipe for not good.

The paradox of tolerance doesn't say shit about adopting the tactics of your perceived enemies (dehumanizing people to justify jailing them or worse) nor does it condone it. It also does not give one a pass to advocate violence against people one accuses of being part of the not-tolerated group.

Again, if the populace of Lemmy didn't jump straight to "You're a nazi/bootlicker" as a default method of disagreement, these kinds of comments could be taken differently.

If you convince the public that one group is undeserving of human rights, then it's easier to convince them of the next group. It's also incredibly easy to expand the first group you've already dehumanized to include even more people than it did before.

Even if you think nazi's don't deserve human rights, what definition of nazi are you using? On the internet, especially Lemmy, people will take each other out of context, call each other nazis over the slightest disagreement and then strut around like they've somehow won the debate.

You say nazis don't deserve human rights but then people go around calling each other nazis over nothingburger disagreements which, according to your logic, immediately revokes their human rights.

And the jump to "the mods must be fascist supporters" is an absolute dive straight into insane troll logic.

Looking at the modlog, it was because the comment section was turning into a lynch mob, frothing at the mouth, and calling for more and more intense violence. Hiding behind "I'm totally joking, but..." isn't the magic shield you think it is.

No, this isn't Reddit, but that doesn't mean we're going to platform calls for violence and extremism.

Please try to disagree without gatekeeping (e.g. telling them their opinion is wrong).

Not gonna mod this comment or anything, just giving a warning.

Please try to disagree without gatekeeping (e.g. telling them their opinion is wrong).

Not gonna mod this comment or anything, just giving a warning.

If we really want to make sure that never happens again, that award should be $314.6m each.

You're gonna have to be more specific.

Appreciate it!