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Not as much of an issue certainly but no historical society outside of perhaps hunter gatherer groups were particularly accepting of LGBT. At best they were considered a bit weird but not worthy of direct oppression. At worst they were directly oppressed. Pretty much every society upon reaching feudal relations directly oppressed LGBT people. Europe was worse because ownship was largely petit bourgeois production and an owner needs to pass on their property for society's sake. Everyone from nobility to a blacksmith needed a legitimate heir or issues happen. Imagine the town's only blacksmith is gay and then they die. Suddenly the necessary functions of a blacksmith are gone, this is a terrible situation. Especially because in that era trades were largely very secretive so you can't easily train a new one, you need to find a journeymen traveling across the country to get a new smith.

Basically, the higher the concentration of ownership of property is (the more people disconnected from the Means of Production) the lower the pressure is on the average person to pass on property as less people own it. This creates more relaxeed LGBT view as any given individual doesn't really need to pass on property. They only have personal possessions but nothing socially necessary to pass.

African societies often had more collective and central ownership so LGBT people were generally treated better however it was still viewed as negative and outside the norm.

I'm not seeing anything about laws that could cause the imprisonment of LGBT people. Where are you getting this? Like, I wouldn't be shocked if same sex marriage isn't legal or if laws for trans people changing their birth certificates aren't on the books yet but I see nothing that encourages the active imprisonment or disenfranchisement of LGBT people outside of having a somewhat more conservative culture would cause as a matter of expectation. Although I will admit I didn't look particularly hard at such issues as they have bigger things on their plate at the moment but still. If you have a source on that I'd appreciate it.

Most of those are quite business as usual for capitalism though. Calling it fascist while good for drawing a parallel isn't entirely true. Its peak capitalist settler colonialism which is pretty close but not entirely fascist. Communist parties are still legal, people still have some civil protections (not many, but far more than you'd have in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy). The US is basically diet fascist. Not quite fully there, but doing as much as it can to get close to it.

Like I said, if the left actually got its shit together then the US would happily fully implement fascism but really that is the only reason it hasn't fully done so.

Lol most of the US is physically and mentally unfit for service thanks to our garbage system. Out of those who are capable few have any motivation to fight for this country. The amount of people who are going to defect or get sent to jail for draft dodging is gonna be huge. Honestly it would probably take more military members to enforce a draft then actually useful soldiers they'd get out of it.

About as fascist as any other capitalist nation. Which is to say if there was any threat to the Russian bourgeois by their working class it would be. Probably the only reason the US isn't full fascist yet is because leftism is so dead in this country that the capitalist class doesn't need to worry about such things.

Damn, I thought Cali was supposed to have better public education than the rest of the country. No water, no air, and no education? Surprised people still live there at this point.

Yeah, I fight in the war on drugs. On the side of drugs.