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Is now the right time to switch to Linux?

Experience: I have a bit of experience with Linux. I started around 2008, distro-hopped weekly, decided on Debian until around 2011, when I switched to Windows as I started getting interested in gaming. Tried switching back around 2015, this time using Arch Linux for about a month, but had some bad experiences with gaming and switched back to Windows. I have had a Debian and Arch VM in Virtual Box since then for testing different applications and a more coherent environment to work with servers.

Understanding: Which brings me to now, I am really interested in using Linux for gaming, I know there is Proton from Valve and that they have been really pushing Linux gaming forward with it.

Thoughts: I have been contemplating dual booting by installing Debian to an SSD and simply using the UEFI boot menu to choose instead of having to install to the EFI of Windows.

I guess, I should just do it, as it won't affect my Windows installation, and I could test different games and if all works well, move over. This would also allow me to try different distributions, though my heart is for Debian, I even like Debian Unstable.

Note: I am sorry for the wall of text, I am just kind of anxious I guess.

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  • I believe your last Linux experience in 2015 predates DXVK which has been transformative for Linux gaming. Wine used to have to implement its own DirectX replacement which necessarily lagged behind Microsoft's implementation, and IIUC didn't get the same level of hardware acceleration due to missing out on DirectX acceleration built into graphics cards.

    Now DXVK acts as a compatibility bridge between DirectX and Vulkan. Vulkan is cross-platform, does generally the same stuff that DirectX does, and graphics cards have hardware acceleration for Vulkan calls the same way they do for DirectX calls. So game performance on Linux typically meets or exceeds performance on Windows, and you can play games using the latest DirectX version without waiting for some poor dev to reimplement it.

    If you are using Steam with Proton, Lutris, or really any Wine gaming these days you are using DXVK. It's easy to take for granted. But I remember the night-and-day difference it made.

  • If you can handle there being a few games that you just can't play, the time to switch to Linux began a couple of years ago.

  • Proton works very well for me. I don't play any games that use anti cheat though.
    A lot of games that use anti cheat middleware don't work, but I've heard support is improving.
    I use Debian Testing. I recommend using Testing as well if you want to use Debian, or at least a custom kernel like xanmod to get newer drivers.

  • IMHO it depends on what kind of gaming you do. For me, I play all the big tentpole AAA games on console. My PC gaming is mostly indy stuff and things that suck on console like 4x strategy games. For my uses, gaming on linux has been... surprisingly good.

    I would definitely recommend trying it out with dual boot.

  • A lot has changed since 2015 thanks to Proton. However, it's not a magic pill. Some tinkering might be required, with how much and how often depends on what you play. So just give it a try and see it for yourself, dual boot is a viable option. Pick some user-friendly distro that handles Windows detection and offers easy video drivers installation. Are you sure that Debian is that distro given your struggles with Arch Linux? I'm not that familiar with it myself, I thought that Debian comes in a relatively raw state.

    • Thank you. The issue with Arch Linux was more about the performance and some games at the time just not working, which looking at ProtonDB shows they work fine now. I really enjoyed my time with Arch, all the customization and manually installing applications made it feel more personal and really "mine". I will probably give a few distros a try before really settling in.

  • I decided to try exclusively gaming on Linux for a few months as a "new year's resolution" back in 2019, see if I could stop dual booting just for games. Never went back, deleted my Windows partition completely that Summer.

    There's a couple of important things to note, which you didn't have in your post:

    • which graphics card you have. If you're AMD / Intel, the drivers are integrated into most distros, and they just work. NVidia is a bit of a ballache - once you know how to install their proprietary ones and disable Nouveau, they're reasonably trouble-free. Reasonably.
    • what kind of games you're into. And really, the question is 'are you into MMOs / online shooters' that are likely to have troublesome DRM, because mostly everything else works.

    ProtonDB has an entry for nearly every game on Steam with some compatibility notes, but really, Proton, DXVK, and the advent of the Steam Deck have really pushed things forwards - gaming on Linux seems less troublesome to me now than gaming on Windows used to be

    Someone above mentioned 'trouble with Lutris'? Works pretty damn well with my non-Steam games, but then, those are mostly from GOG, so a bit older and DRM free.

    • I do have AMD, so that's nice that it will be a better experience. Recently AAA games have been very underwhelming, so I have been cutting back on new AAAs until later and when on sale. I play Guild Wars 2 (MMO) quite often, but I hear that it will play fine as it doesn't have any anticheat. I am not into any competitive shooters, so I will be find on that front. Looking at the games on ProtonDB show that this will be a smooth experience, and I'll be fine with some games not working or performing below average.

  • I would ask myself "What are the games I play and how important is it to be able to play the latest AAA games when they come out?"

    Proton is doing a wonderful job with compatibility, but it will likely always be behind by a bit.

    If gaming is your primary focus and you play a lot of new games when they first come out, dual booting might be the best option.

    On the other hand, if you are more patient and don't have to play things on release day or just like going through the catalogue of older good games, you can probably get away with a full switch.

    Personally, I'm in a more privileged scenario. I have a laptop with Linux and a desktop with Windows for gaming. I do most of my gaming on the steam deck, PS5, or switch but any first person or games that benefit from good reaction time with a mouse get played on my desktop. Some of my games just won't work on proton because they are too intensive to run through emulation or just in too early a state to consider trying.

    With all of that, if I could only have one machine it would likely be running Windows in some capacity.

    I recommend you evaluate that question for yourself and go look at ProtonDB to figure out what state you'll be in.

    • Thank you for this, really helpful advice, ProtonDB looks really useful. I tend to be a bit more patient with games and buy later when on sale. I might just wipe Windows and reinstall it with the bare necessities for only the games that I need it for.

  • iv moved to linux for over a year now when proton started getting rlly good and iv enjoyed it so much i started a small youtube channel lmao. software has gotten rlly good aswell in the foss universe with package managers like flatpak and some amazing gtk4 apps

    gaming on linux is a breeze and with valve making more deals to get companies to support proton for linux/steamdeck

    its going to continue to get better and better until windows will not be required anymore

  • I'm a month or so into switching from Windows 10 to Ubuntu. I've never lasted this long in prior attempts to switch over.

    Gaming has been quite good. Steam just works for 99% of the games I've tried, with the 1% being one or two minor bugs in games that otherwise worked fine. Lutris, on the other hand, did not work at all. 0% success rate installing or running games.

    Linux does still seem brittle and/or unnecessarily complicated, though. For example, I have a super common nvidia card, and my first post-install experience was having to boot into safe mode to fix the drivers. Then Ubuntu updated the drivers and my screens didn't come back up. I had to hard-reset to get them back. And I have yet to get NUT installed and configured correctly so I can have the PC power down gracefully when the UPS runs low, something which is trivial in Windows.

    Is all the frustration worth it to have an OS that isn't selling me ads and trying to move me to a cloud account? Probably.

    • Nvidia is the worst graphics card brand for linux. It's not a surprise you're struggling with it. If you have any money to buy a new graphics card, get yourself AMD. You can then sigh a breath of relief that you're not supporting a quasi monopolist and finally have good linux support.

    • @FishInABarrel @mouse I struggled with Nvidia's drivers for a decade or so before switching to AMD (which used to have even worse Linux driver support than Nvidia but now basically Just Works).

      I know "just buy a different graphics card" is not useful advice, so that's not what I'm saying. But if you intend to use Linux in the long term, I'd definitely recommend switching to AMD next time you're in the market for a new card.

  • For gaming either go Pop!OS, Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Debian is always far behind on drivers. Check protondb first though.

  • I do this exactly. I have a Pop Os installation on its own drive and the original win 10 drive, plus they each have their own secondary storage drives. I switch using the BIOS but honestly I find myself doing that less and less.

    I used to have a larger NTFS storage drive both systems could see but it kept getting marked as read-only so I gave up and just got a fourth one for Pop Os.

    Sometimes when I boot up Pop Os after having been in Windows it can't see any USB devices until after login or until I plug and unplug them.

    So there's some minor annoyances to this setup but at least windows doesn't overwrite the bootloader every couple updates.

    I'm very much considering never getting windows 11 (or 12 lol). The only games I have issues with are some AAA multiplayer games - like Borderlands - and even then they run they just don't play nice with other players.

  • To provide a different perspective to everyone else, I would say that it's not the right time if you want everything to "just work".

    I tried out Ubuntu 22.04 just a couple of months ago, and only one game of the several I tried "just worked". Everything else either didn't work at all, or required hours of searching and troubleshooting and problem solving, with mixed success. And I'm not a technophobe, I'm a software developer with experience in system support.

    People keep saying there's lots of guides out there for most things, and that's true. But that doesn't necessarily mean the guide will work for you. I tried multiple "guides" to get my games working and most of them didn't help. Either they were too old, or there was a step that I couldn't complete, or I completed the guide and there was an error that isn't mentioned in the guide. Or any number of other problems.

    Regardless of what people say, it may not be as simple as "switch to Proton and install Lutris". In the end I just got frustrated with having to work so hard to get my own computer to do the things I wanted it to do, and so I reverted back to Windows and had all my software working as expected within a couple of hours.

  • I am in doubt about running Linux on my gaming system. As I need it to be as close to 100% compatible as possible for running games. Because I still have a lot of games on Steam that I haven't finished. So I don't want to lose the ability to play some of them.

    • One option if you still want to use both, is a Linux laptop. You could use that as your daily driver and then use Moonlight/Sunshine to stream from your gaming rig to laptop. Use a loopback HDMI plug on the rig and you largely have what amounts to a gaming server on your network.

      Average added latency on my setup is 4ms so this works very well. I stream games at 120FPS at 1080p. Then when I'm done playing, I close the window. No dual booting annoyance and fully functional Windows 10.

  • Astrologically speaking? Probably not, no. I'd consider waiting until the time is better.

    • My astrology sign is a Ford Taurus, is it a good time for me?

      • You're looking better than you've looked in years. All signs point to yes. Unfortunately, you're still a Ford Taurus.

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        Your Lucky Numbers: 69

  • @mouse I think the more valuable question to ask is, "How do we increase computer literacy?" Knowledge briefly peaked in early 2000s and only among the privileged. Then app stores took over and even the privileged can't see beyond the walled garden.

    We need to slow down. Not everyone has to be some master hacker, but it would be nice to have the free time to study, because tech resources are plentiful even on Windows, and any knowledge gained anywhere is reusable in different environments.

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