Benjamin Netanyahu failed Israel

This is key:
"This does not mean most Israeli Jews became ideological right-wingers; they are not, polling suggests, fully committed to the project of expanding settlements or West Bank annexation. Mostly, they wanted Netanyahu and the right to keep them safe in a way that the left seemingly couldn’t. The prime minister, in recognition of this reality, campaigned first and foremost on security — earning the moniker, perhaps self-claimed, of “Mr. Security.”
Hamas’s attack on Saturday, a mass slaughter of Israeli civilians without precedent in Israeli history, exposed a basic contradiction in this image in the most agonizing way. Simply put, there is no way now to argue that the right-wing ideological project has delivered the security most Israelis crave."
I hope there are enough moderate Israelis out there who can push for a different approach because oppression, theft of land, and brutality isn't a way forward if the aim is to stop bloodshed from both sides.
- There are plenty of moderate people in the US, but we waged a war for twenty fucking years after 9/11.
  All of human history up until this day points towards a great ramping of war efforts to slaughter everyone they can get their hands on
  
  The actual amount of Afghanis and Iraqis killed by coalition troops and mercenaries is pretty low. The vast, vast majority of casualties of the "War on Terror" came from disruption of services and the "Civil War" stage of the Iraq invasion which saw a hundred factions fighting each other as the US+allies mostly sat around in the Green Zone. Largely because death wasn't the point, control and power was, and as long as the oil flowed the US's goals were achieved.
  I'm not saying that death toll isn't ultimately the US's fault, but I am saying your point simply isn't true, the horrors of the past operated on a scale modern humans very rarely understand at any real level, and mass death simply isn't the goal that often.
  Like, the Japanese invasion of China in WW2 killed twenty million people alone, and most Americans are barely aware it was a front of the war.
  Even if you believe the absolute worst of the claims of the modern Uyghur genocide, also not ethnic cleansing, it's an attempt to eradicate the culture and faith that makes them troublesome to control for the CCP. Death, yet again, is not the point, control is.
  Honestly this attack from Hamas is notable precisely because killing civilians seems largely to be the point, whatever justification they feel they have.
  
  There are plenty of moderate people in the US, but we waged a war for twenty fucking years after 9/11.
  The Iraq war was plainly illegitimate, based on a tissue of lies. 9/11 was not a legitimate casus belli for invading Iraq, and the WMD thing was simply a hoax.
  I am not so convinced about the Afghan war. 9/11 was a mass murder perpetrated by Al-Qaeda on American soil, and the Taliban were hosting and working with Al-Qaeda. However, the "nation building" efforts were never going to work.
- Respectfully, anyone pushing for an ethnostate is a nationalistic right wing person by definition.
  
  Respectfully, everyone is living in a world where the Overton Window has already moved to the right substantially. Roe v Wade being overturned, Trump holding sway over Republican voters despite being a clearly contentious demagogue, England and Brexit, England leaving a succession of ever-worsening Tories in power. Etc etc.
  I'm not playing whataboutism, I'm illustrating a point.
- Obama killed Bin Laden.
  Bush let the largest terrorist attack ever on US soil happen.
  Yet people were calling for Republicans to keep us safe....
  Conservatives all over the world seem to be dumb as bricks, including Israel.
  
  Politicians are lining their pockets with lobbyist cash and Northrop Grumman is going to have a great quarter.
  
  racism leads to underestimating opponents.
- Unfortunately, human nature is to go the other direction. This event will lead to more extreme view points. Those that professed compassion and understanding are likely to join the hate train if a loved one was brutally killed or maimed.
  
  Wouldn't you?
- oppression, theft of land, and brutality isn't a way forward if the aim is to stop bloodshed from both sides.
  Unfortunately, the aim is to:
  from the one side, to have a State of Israel on land promised by the British to the Arabs
  on the other, to have an Islamic State on land taken by the Zionists from the British
  on another, to have the Armageddon begin and trigger the second coming of Christ
  on still another, to have all the infidels exterminated and have the whole world convert to Islam
  Stopping bloodshed is not part of either side, some of the sides are actually asking for more bloodshed 🤦
  
  from the one side, to have a State of Israel on land promised by the British to the Arabs
  on the other, to have an Islamic State on land taken by the Zionists from the British
  This is a little confused... The British promised a state to both. The land the Jews lived on was purchased from absentee landlords who didn't care who was living on it, first from the Ottoman Empire and later from Britain. The partition plan was proposed to make good on Britain's dual promises - it won a vote in the UN despite the entire Arab League voting against it. Jews celebrated, Arabs protested, there was a civil war that turned into the Israeli war for independence, and the British decided they weren't going to enforce the partition plan and fucked off to drink tea and reminisce about the good old days of starving Indians to death and getting the Chinese addicted to opium.
  
  It does seem hopeless but I grew up during "the troubles" in Ireland, there was a long time where it seemed peace was an impossibility.
  
  Yup. This conflict is a freaking mess all around.
- I hope there are enough moderate Israelis out there who can push for a different approach because oppression, theft of land, and brutality isn’t a way forward if the aim is to stop bloodshed from both sides.
  Unfortunately anyone with a moderate voice is usually shouted down and ostracised with references to Israelis who have been killed. This has been a running theme with Israel (not the people, the country), in line with calling everyone who criticises them anti-semites, but it seems to have particularly stepped up recently.
  I saw a news reporter asking a hard question to someone about Israel's attacks, an Israeli politician next to him jumped in and talked the reporter down (without answering the question). You could see the anger building in him, if he wasn't in front of a dozen cameras he would have been full blown raging. It's incredibly difficult to talk reason when people act like that, and without anyone saying it reason can easily die.
- How would that realistically look like without Isreal waging war with almost the entire Middle East?
  The 'middle ground' for Hamas is "kill all the jews in their land and destroy the Israeli state".
  Edit: how about instead of merely downvoting you guys respond with a thought of a potential solution that doesnt end with Israel getting completely butt fucked. This whole invasion was just an exercise for people brainstorm on how to shit on Israel regardless of the outcome.
  
  Here's one way to start. Israel pulls back to its agreed upon boundaries and stops encroaching on others.
  
  You claim Israel to wage war against almost thr entire middle east. That is just ludicrious. Where are the Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Egyptian, Saudi, Quatari, Kuwaiti, Omari, Jemeni, Lybian, Algerian, Tunisian, Moroccan, Sudanese and Iranian forces?
  The best that can be claimed is Israel being at war with Hamas now and having had skirmishes with Hezbollah and Iran, albeit these were entirely Israeli attacks in Iran.
  
  The reality of the current situation is that Palestine is probably going to cease to exist... And you are asking about a solution where Israel doesn't cease to exist?
  I'm confused.
  
  The ‘middle ground’ for Hamas is “kill all the jews in their land and destroy the Israeli state”.
  In the original charter Hamas doesn't even mention the Jewish people, they just say they want the Palestinian land back. And in the updated charter Hamas agrees to the 1967 borders and a 2 state system.
  It's the PIJ who hasn't accepted a 2 state system.

Just goes to show yet another time that fascism isn't a solution for anything.

Golda Meir lost her position due to intel failures regarding Yom Kippur war. this was a shocking failure of intelligence and basic border control. Meir lost her position only after the guns stopped firing.
A similar thing happened to Menachem Begin, who was forced into retirement after the failure of the Lebanon invasion in 1982 and the international opprobrium heaped Israel's way after it essentially winked at a massacre of Palestinian civilians by Lebanese Christian militiamen later that year. But again, Begin was only forced out after Israel had pulled back to defensive positions in Southern Lebanon and its forces were no longer engaged in heavy combat.
Bibi is so busy trying to undo Israeli liberty and stay out of jail he did botch this and fate will not treat him kindly.
- A similar thing happened to Menachem Begin, who was forced into retirement after the failure of the Lebanon invasion in 1982 and the international opprobrium heaped Israel’s way after it essentially winked at a massacre of Palestinian civilians by Lebanese Christian militiamen later that year.
  Learned a new word today...
  op·pro·bri·um /əˈprōbrēəm/ noun harsh criticism or censure. "his films and the critical opprobrium they have generated"
  the public disgrace arising from someone's shameful conduct. "the opprobrium of being closely associated with gangsters"
- Israel not so much winked at the massacre but directly supported the infrastructure for it despite knowing it was to happen. Israel wanted the massacre that killed more people in a way equally gruesome to the current Hamas terror. But of course that gave no tangible repercussions, just stern words.
  I highly recommend the move "Waltz with Bashir" where the movie maker is working through his own Trauma and involvement in Israels support of the massacre as young soldier.
- I mean that's a pattern of corruption or a pattern of "corruption".

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- And they elected him over and over again...
- and who did the palestinians elect? (when they last had elections mind you)
  
  yes how long ago was the last election in Gaza? and what is the average age in Gaza?

The Israelian people will eventually need to put their foot down and redress the current situation else they'll lose their nazist victim card and instead become the nazists of this century. And few countries will dare to look kindly at them then.
- Thank you for saying this. Calling for evacuation, then blocking the exits, is cruel and dishonest. Depriving civilians of basic utilities is certainly inhumane. The calls to kill 'human animals' rings of some Nazi messaging. The right-wing government is losing credibility and those whose support it is as well. Please, folks, let's remember that it's oppression and bigotry that is the real enemy here. #PeaceNow #religionandbigotry
- No, I don't support Isreal in the annexation and slow genocide of the Palestinian people. I must be an anti-semite nazi. You guys cornered a desperate dog you've been hunting for years and are shocked they bit you. Get bent. Also fuck Hamas for allowing themselves to become a savage beast.
  
  Who are you arguing with?
- If they keep up the blockade of water, food and fuel to Gaza, the pictures of emaciated people - little more than skin and bones - dying of thirst and starvation, that will make everybody be shocked at the inhumanity of the perpetrators for the rest of the century, will have come from Gaza with the Israeli as the perpetrators.
  Considering that the average age in Gaza is 19, unlike in the pictures that documented the disgusting acts of the Nazis which were mostly pictures of grown men, these ones will mainly have children.
  
  Exactly. Leningrad 2.0 certainly wouldn't look good for Israel.
- I hope they do turn around but my view of them is exactly this right now. They are the oppressors, they prop up an apartheid state and the world continues to allow it.

Thanks, good article

/r/worldnews nuking any balanced comments on these threads. That site is so fucked.
- r/worldnews has always been a cesspit. r/animetitties is where you should be going.
  The story goes, r/worldnews had almost no moderation, and users complaining about the quality of posts there were saying it was so bad they could get away with posting anime titties. They did, iirc it went unnoticed for a little bit. Maybe the admin stepped in or something and eventually r/worldnews became what we know it as today, but someone also set up r/animetitties and it became a place for much less biased news moderation.
  Except on April Fool's. I think you can guess what r/animetitties users do on April Fool's.
  
  Do they post local news?

Reminder Netanyahu is from Pennsylvania
- Really? Where can I find info on that?
  
  https://www.tampabay.com/incoming/netanyahu-gets-yearbook-from-his-pennsylvania-high-school/2237519/

But he's succeeding in his own goals.

People, it's hard to believe but I'm also an expert on this topic. And I have an opinion - from the newspapers.

This is the best summary I could come up with:
Distracted by both the fight to seize control over Israel’s judiciary and their effort to deepen Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Netanyahu and his cabinet allowed military readiness to degrade and left outposts on the Gaza border in the south unmanned.
Second, a columnist at Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper unearthed evidence that Netanyahu has intentionally propped up Hamas rule in Gaza — seeing Palestinian extremism as a bulwark against a two-state solution to the conflict.
But the Times of Israel’s Tal Schneider wrote on Sunday that Netanyahu’s reported words “are in line with the policy that he implemented,” which did little to challenge and in some ways bolstered Hamas’s control over the Gaza Strip.
In fairness to Smotrich, he did admit in his 2017 proposal that his favored policies would likely meet with violent resistance: “In the first stage, it is likely that the Arab terror efforts will only increase.” This, he argued, would represent “a last desperate attempt to actualize their goals.”
When the peace process pushed by left-wing parties in power in the 1990s failed, giving rise to the terrorist violence of Second Intifada, many ordinary Jewish Israelis concluded that the Palestinians simply couldn’t be negotiated with and moved to the right.
Hamas’s willingness to engage in brutal violence, sure to be met with an overwhelming response from Israel — one that has reportedly taken the lives of hundreds of people in Gaza so far — indicates that even 16 years of blockade can’t end the incentive for terrorism.
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- This summary is missing some key points from the article - in particular, the conclusion. 86% might have been too much to save...
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Did he tho? Or... puts tin foil hat on... did he just let it happen so he could finish off Hamas along with the rest of Palestine?

Until religion is all but stamped out in that area, their war will continue.
- tips fedora
- Neither the first or second world wars were religious in nature. Humans don't need religion to commit atrocities.
- People will always find a reason to smash their heads, however they call it. All hail to the Allied Atheist Alliance my fellow 🦦
- ...by "that area", meaning the Solar system.

Of course when thousands of psychopath Palestinian terrorists murder countless innocent people, the real question is, “how can we blame Israel?” Vox really is the worst. Their front page is a litany of justifications for cutting heads off of babies. “Why did Hamas invade Israel?” “This Gaza war didn’t come out of nowhere.” “What a complete siege of Gaza will mean for Palestinians.” Pure unbridled propaganda.
- Vox really is the worst
  Don't shoot the re-reporter, "Bibi bred Hamas" is Haaretz and Times of Israel stuff. So instead of the thinly veiled antisemitism accusation towards Vox you want to go to the root of things, you want to call Israeli journalists self-hating Jews. Gosh you folks can't even get your own narrative straight.
  
  Jerusalem Post as well.
- Sounds like you're neck deep in propaganda yourself.
- Replace Vox with lemmy.ml and the same would be true.