Jill Stein delivers scathing response to Harris-Trump debate and urges Green alternative

This is a debate between the parties of war and Wall Street who agree with each other on the fundamentals of our economy and on the fundamentals of our foreign policy
Jill’s solution to “endless war” is to disband NATO, stop supporting Ukraine, and hand Kyiv to Putin. With NATO disbanded, further European countries will be sure to follow.
- A lot of that platform actually sounds good. But you are right.
  Disband NATO and replace it with a modern, inclusive security framework that respects the security interests of all nations and people
  Thats pretty vague, so no idea what this entails in reality.
  
  That's how Green works. Big vague, impossible promises. It's because they never have to worry about needing to keep them.

Putin's Jizz Stein also wants Nato disbanded, the US to give up their SC veto, and revoke weapons to help Ukraine defend itself while simultaneously forcing 'peace' (subjugation) negotiations with russia.
For those of you that don't understand how the Electoral College works, voting for her means donald will be president. Have fun wasting your time reading the article.
- Reported for misinformation, but I'm not seeing a problem here.
  Wants NATO disbanded? Give up the Security Council vote?
  https://www.jillstein2024.com/peace_platform
  https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/jill-stein/policies/foreign-policy/nato
  Unsupport Ukraine?
  https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/jill-stein/policies/foreign-policy/ukraine
  Pretty much everything you'd expect from a Putin backed candidate.
  
  And for the record guys, I'm not the one who reported for disinformation. Just getting that out of the way now, before accusations from other posters come at me! lol
  BUT I think it may be the part where the poster says "voting for her means donald will be president."
  No, voting for her doesn't automatically mean donald will be president. I mean, he "could" be, but it's not set in stone. That's an opinion of the poster, not an actual fact.
  But I personally think that could have been pointed out to the poster, rather than reporting for misinformation.
- https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
- Have fun wasting your time reading the article.
  Thank you!
  
  Reading comprehension not your strong point, eh?

No one cares about the opinions of a Putin supporting Republican shill.
- I guess some people do, I mean, they made a news article out of the subject.

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If it took only 10 seconds to post each time, and 20 seconds to make a comment, that means you have spent:

(198 * 10) + (1240 * 20) = 26780 seconds
Or, 7.44 hours, in one month. That's almost 5% the amount of time people spend working full time. Almost a full work day. And these are extremely generous estimates that assume you are very fast. I have no doubt you have spent minutes responding to some of the comments calling you out.
A more realistic set of numbers would be

(198 * 30) + (1240 * 45) = 61740 seconds
Or, 17.15 hours, in one month. That's almost 43% the amount of time people spend working full time. Over 2 full work days.
To calculate the number of times you submitted content per waking hour:

(198 + 1240) / (16 * 30) = 3
Or once every 20 minutes on average, assuming you sleep. Almost every single one promoting third party candidates. Totally and completely not sus, at all. Not even a little bit.
- I don't have to explain anything to you. But keep posting stats because I am posting more articles. Thank you!
  
  Of course. You would only explain why you post three times per hour
  in favor of third party candidates
  suddenly, starting 3 months before the election
  increasing in frequency after the debate
  despite the massive amount of critical comments you get
  If the explanation would not get you permabanned.

She's trying so damn hard to get Trump elected lmao.
Almost as hard as OP is, whatever his name is this week.
- Almost as hard as OP is, whatever his name is this week.
  Not sure what you mean. I also just posted a libertarian article where he wants to take down Trump. Hmmm...
  https://lemmy.world/post/19662638
  Doesn't really fit your narrative though, does it? But hey, you believe what you wanna belive. I don't care.

It's a fine take and I mean, I'd love to have the option to vote for that alternative, but realistically right now, none of us do. No matter which side of the aisle you're on, if you abandon the side you'd normally vote for to vote third party, you're only helping your own personal worst case scenario.
Really, all of these third party... parties should be focusing more on pushing for an alternate voting system. I know they say we should get away from two-party politics, but I rarely see any actual action taken to try and accomplish that. Ranked-choice was on the ballot 4 years ago in MA, but didn't pass, and if these third parties had poured their campaign budget into getting it passed, they'd be getting my vote in November. As it stands, they won't be. Their policies, frankly, don't matter, because we can't vote for them, as much as we'd like to, without voting against our own self-interests and really, those of the entire country.
- Any third party that only focuses on the presidency isn't a real party. Jill Stein isn't actually running for president. She is simply a foreign agent of Putin trying to act as a spoiler against the Democratic ticket. That is literally the only reason she is running.
  Real political parties try to build power from the ground up. You want your party to be a serious candidate for president? Try winning several hundred state house seats and least a few dozen US house seats, maybe a Senator or two. I disagree vehemently with the Libertarian Party, but I'll give them credit for being a real political party. Clowns like Stein, Kennedy, and West are just Republican agents running as spoiler candidates. They have zero intention of winning. Their only goal is to appeal to their own vanity and to syphon off a few percentage points from the Democratic candidate. That is the only reason they are running. They take Republican and Russian money and are doing the bidding of their masters. Anyone who even considered voting for them is a fool.
  
  Real political parties try to build power from the ground up.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @SyntaxTerror@feddit.org for the info)
  State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
  Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
  Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
  Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
  Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
  Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
  John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
  Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
  Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
  Current Green Party Mayors
  Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
  Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
  Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
  Former Green Party Mayors
  John Reed - Fairfax, California
  Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
  David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
  Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
  Robb Davis - Davis, California
  Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
  Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
  Jason West - New Paltz, New York
  Current Green Party City & County Council Members
  Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
  David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
  Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
  Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
  Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
  Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
  David Grover - Trinidad, California
  Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
  John Keener - Pacifica, California
  Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
  Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
  Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
  George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
  Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
  Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
  Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
  Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
  Former Green Party City & County Council Members
  Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
  George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
  Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
  Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
  Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
  Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
  Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
  Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
  Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
  Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
  Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
  Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
  Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
  Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
  Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
  Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
  Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
  Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
  Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
  Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
  Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
  Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
  Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
  Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
  Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
  Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
  Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
  Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
  Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
  Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
  Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
  Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
  Carl D'Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
  Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
  Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
  Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
  Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
  Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
  Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
  Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
  Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
  Vincent O'Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
  Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
  Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
  John Powell - Montecito, California
  Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
  Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
  Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
  Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
  Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
  Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
  Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
  Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
  Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
  John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
  Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
  Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
  Kim O'Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
  Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
  Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
  Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
  MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
  Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- abandon the side you’d normally vote for
  That's part of the liberal delusion we would not vote for a democrat or Republican, because we are not Democrats or Republicans. They do not represent the needs of the marginalized, the working class, They only represent the needs and the wants of the donor class. They only listen to the donor class While our needs get ignored.
  
  Yep! Well said!
- I’d love to have the option to vote for that alternative, but realistically right now, none of us do.
  I do and I AM voting for an alternative.
  
  That’s not bright of you. You going to clutch your pearls as Trump is inaugurated?
  How about when he carries you off to a camp?
  
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Bet she also “urges” withdrawing support from Ukraine.
- Doesn't change my opinion of her. You are welcome to your opinion too.
  
  How does she get to 270 again?
  And where is she the other 3.5 years?

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To cut through the nonsense and save everyone time, especially since many in this community have a habit of resorting to personal attacks when responding to posts recently: I support and respect everyone’s right to vote for who they want to.
I'm just posting this article that’s already available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy—I didn’t write it, just sharing it for discussion.
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