2023 Dutch Grand Prix - [RACE] discussion thread
FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN DUTCH GRAND PRIX 2023
| Circuit stats | |
|---|---|
| First Grand Prix | 1952 |
| Number of laps | 72 |
| Lap record | 1:11.097 Lewis Hamilton (2021) |
| 2022 winner | Max Verstappen |
What a horrible weekend for Charles.
Correct choice to retire though.
No kidding. Ferrari dropped the ball, and quite badly.
Probably better to have a damaged car on a weekend where Charles isnt 100% fit than on a different one
Ferrari just wtf this season.
Wet tires will probably never be used (unless enforced), even if the conditions are clearly full wet.
Teams are so greedy with staying on the inters so that even if some drivers pit for full wets, the race will inevitably be red flagged because someone staying on the inters will crash, which then makes you look silly for pitting for full wets a lap or two earlier.
Granted that they reinstated the positions of the previous lap so Perez is actually fine, but let Zhou crash one lap later and Red Bull would've been punished with Perez for doing the right thing for safety and to try and keep the race going.
I think everyone agrees with that, apparently even perelli have called it the safety car tire....
I think the best suggestion was to make a much better tire between the two if they can - that reduced the amount of tires they are lugging around too.
Make the full wet better or the inter worse or add a third option, but something needs to change. Visibility concerns have been a legitimate issue in past races, but that definitely wasn't the case today.
Full Wets should be mandated for all teams in these conditions for a set # of laps. That would eliminate the teams gamesmanship, increase safety and avoid the embarrassing red flags. F1 is so poorly run.
When Alpine gets on the podium
Max on radio: 😃
Alonso on radio:😏😀
Gasly on radio: 😁😁😁😁🤯🤯🤯🤯😎😎😎
Speaking as a dutchie. There really is no crowd better than the dutch at setting a great mood. Especially in bad weather.
Was it the Dutch GP where there were allegations of sexual harassment last year? Or was that somewhere else? I dont quite remember
Apparently so. I didn't know about his but just read up on it. 15 cases quite bad. They stepped up measures this year. Hopefully there are no cases this year however we won't know till after.
I think it was Austria that made the news last year, but there were a lot of Dutch fans
I can't think of many sporting events in the States that would have that same sort of response to a rain delay.
For those who are complaining: Jules Bianchi died under similar conditions in Suzuka 2014.
If anything, it took too much time to red flag the race. Zhou was in a very dangerous position.
If everyone had been on full wets then it would have been fine behind the safety car, but they don't pit because they expect a red flag. Catch 22
I am angry because zhou's crash 2as unnecessary. He was going way way too fast at that point. If he had not crashed, we could have possibly seen the race continue with people switching to the wets and since the field was spread, the spray would have been less of an issue
Yup, and more recently Dilano van 't Hoff in Spa. :’( Okay, that was Formula 4 and not 1, but similar circumstances.
Why are they so obsessed about the Max-Perez pit stop. It wouldn’t matter, Max would pass Perez in a couple of laps anyways. He got the gap down from 10 to 2.5 sec.
I don't get it either.. They gave Perez inters first, dragged him up to the front, then Max got softs first, giving him back the lead.
They just saved Perez the embarrassment of getting passed by Max on track. Max is 6 seconds ahead already, for crying out..
It's absolutely insane. Verstappen is on another plane of existence this season.
I also think that it wasn't malicious, I think they had to defend against Alonso. The other choice would have been double stacking Checo and Max, coming with its own risk.
So happy for Gasly.
He was really happy himself :D
Same
VER PER ALO
Nature is healing.
That slowmo of the redbull pit stop was incredible
According to Dutch social media the DJ started his Red Flag set with a song about "raining beer".
Het is dus pompen of verzuipen.
The fact they booked a live singer for the Dutch anthem shows a lot of confidence. Not that the confidence is misplaced of course.
Whatever weather god: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Man if I ever have enough money to go to an F1 race then I'm definitely going to the Dutch Grand Prix
F1TV has been referencing memes throughout the broadcast, the cooldown room was announced as "time for the podcast".
Crowd singing along to "Que Sera, Sera", the DJ is on point.
Walking on sunshine now.
At least they got someone with humour.
Compare the atmosphere here to e.g. Abu Dhabi, quite the difference.
Man, Williams have utterly screwed the pooch this weekend.
If Albon had pitted for inters like everyone else he potentially would have been on the podium going into the second lot of rain.
Then with the second lot of rain they leave him out too long again and kick him down from 6th to 9th which they compound by putting him on inters when its clear full wets
Then they get him stuck in the damn pits.
Doesn't matter https://i.imgur.com/A8dJYDW.png I think.
well he is going to restart 9th, if they had pitted with everyone else on the second rain he would have been 6th
and he lost god knows how much time not going on inters in the first rain spell
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This is cool. Especially for the radio messages.
Absolute disaster for Tsunoda. Couldn't have imagined the race going any worse for Yuki if I tried.
What happened to Yuki? He was in 13th and then suddenly 16th, TV coverage showed nothing 😞
His front wing did him in after contact with Russell earlier in the race. Just completely torpedoed his race.
Yeah, I thought he also got a penalty post crossing the line. Because one second he was ahead of Lawson, and then he was in 16.
For anyone wondering.
Most pit stops in an F1 race, 88, 2011 Hungarian Grand Prix
we are at 35-36 so far if my maths is right
edit: 35, confirmed on-screen. need another shower to give a chance of the record :D
Is any rain expected later in the race? They'll definitely break the record if that happens.
about lap 35-40
Interesting. Will be fun to see if that record is broken.
35 at the moment.
Another rain storm would see us at 54 if everyone pits
Then dry again, 73 if everyone pits
So it needs a fair bit to hit 88, maybe a late safety car.
Need to look at that Hungary race and see what the hell happened to cause 88 pit stops (just looked, like this one, race with intermittent wet/dry periods)
Yay, Ferrari!
Leclerc and Sainz honestly deserve a podium or three based on their driving independent of the team getting in their way, imo.
Restart in 10 min. I hope everyone will keep it whole
Absolute wild race so far.
Ponchos and raincoats reported in the crowd at the start/finish.
Already more entertainment than the previous two years.
I bet we've already had more overtakes than last year.
Especially at this point
Thank you rain for making the first laps exciting
Perez, Leclerc & Russell need to stop crashing into cars/walls. They all threw it away. I feel bad for Albon though, he did everything right, bad luck.
Happy for Gasly!
Poor alonso.
Thankfully he got it back quick
Did a damn good job making up for it, though.
Jesus christ that rain came from somewhere :o
Welkom to de Nedderlands!
With rain in the distance I am a bit baffled by Lewis decision to try and do a longer first stint, big time gamble
I dont think it will work
Can we please get Yuki in the points this race? Is it too much to ask to see Tsunoda with possibly a career best finish?
Would be lovely
Seems like such a likeable lad.
Red flag just as Checo changed tires, ffs
They let him restart as p3.
More rain expected in about 20 minutes.
What an interesting race so far.
Gotta love the dutch weather. HERE COMES THE RAIN.
Lol @ ferrari
Ah, something else than that godawful Heineken trophy of the previous years.
That Moet guy must have been in shamble
Piastri pitting again? Edit: ah, was his first
Damn that was bad timing
Fucking no! I was hoping Tsunoda would have eclipsed his career best. Wonder if Russell is going to pick up a penalty for the contact on the straightaway.
Edit: Here's hoping.
Ricciardo fans conveniently looked away at that point.
Why on Earth would the TV direction show Perez just when Hamilton may have overtaken Sainz
No grid-walk today?
The one on F1TV just finished.
No Martin it seems, Karun and Bernie Collins just chatting instead.
Rain on Max's visor - probably why he was pushing
Looks Like Norris just mugged bottas there without even having to slow down
Oh dear, I hope the rain works out in Lando's favor this time.
Not by the looks of it, 19th
Alonso is 3rd, stroll 19th (and by a mile)
Just get stroll out of there, honestly
He was lagging behind the soft tyre runners when it was raining, on intermediates
Wasn't watching his pit stops. Probably not his fault.
I wasn't really paying attention to him. How'd he end up so far back? Russell type situation?
It’s like musical chairs out there
