Toronto @lemmy.ca baernhelm @feddit.de 1 yr. ago

Toronto is about to get a new type of intersection unlike any it's seen before

www.blogto.com Toronto is about to get a new type of intersection unlike any it's seen before

A major intersection in downtown Toronto is about to get a complete redesign that will mark a first for the city, and is thus unfortunately bound t...

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Why not just install a roundabout?
- A roundabout does not protect people riding bicycles. This intersection is designed to make them more visible to drivers.
  
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  You could still put an obstruction in the middle to prevent t-bone collisions while keeping the bike and pedestrian spaces.
- Because roundabouts prioritize motorists, their safety, and convenience. Clearly the goal here is to improve pedestrian and cyclist survival and convenience.
  
  Do you any data supporting this ? I really wonder what would be best for cyclists.
  
  Seems the opposite to me. I see in this picture what is essentially a roundabout but missing the central island, meaning people can drive straight through.
  
  Roundabouts force motorists to slow down and can still provide a safe perimeter around the edge for pedestrians and bicyclists.
- Roundabouts need more space than a regular crossing and there are buildings on all four corners here.
  
  That's what mini roundabouts are for.
- Imagine if they had to drive in the UK lol
- ...at Bloor and St George? People walk here
These style of intersections were all over the place when I lived in the Netherlands and they make cycling circulation much more fluid and safe. Hopefully they synchronize the lights properly using induction loops on the asphalt.

Also, can we get those in Montreal on the REV? Left turns are deadly for cyclists and drivers sometimes have trouble turning right during rush hour.
Nice. It’d be better if the bike lanes were a different colour.
- Agreed, I'd also like to see some bollards at the corners. With how I've seen drivers in this city behave, there's going to be people driving right over those curbs.
- Yeah just like the Dutch intersections. Which the article mentions they are based on.
- In Canada street paint lasst ~2 years (it typically fades noticeably after the first winter) and during those 2 years it's obfuscated by snow 10% of the time.
  
  That’s because they’re driven on by cars. Pavement can last decades without potholes and only minimal repainting if it’s for pedestrians and bikes. That’s one of the reasons why car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure possible. Cars are a huge drain on taxes.
the corner of Bloor and St. George will be completely revamped in the Dutch style — that is, with greater prioritization of cyclists and pedestrians.
Hope it's the first of many!
Pedestrians and bicyclists still have to wait 2 lights to turn left. Streets have been adapting to cars for around 80 years and it still not working
It's good, but still needs raised barriers. You can see on the graphic a truck driving right over into the cycling lane.
"After worries about the first diverging diamond interchange"

Lol we've had these in Oklahoma for a fucking while... If we can handle it surely they can.
In the render it clearly shows no curb between cars and cyclist, so fuck all will change and they will keep parking and driving on cyclist lane. Not unless that is a shitty render and they are bringing actual curbs.

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