Transphobes are doxxing Stardew Valley fans after they asked the game developer for pronouns
Transphobes are doxxing Stardew Valley fans after they asked the game developer for pronouns
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WTF man, Stardew Valley of all things?
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If you pay attention to a lot of the undertones in Stardew valley it’s clear (IMO) that Concerned Ape is conservative.
I like the game but I’m always surprised that people think Stardew is a leftist/liberal paradise because it allows same sex relationships.
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This is a wild take. The politics of the game - to the extent that it exists at all - are skeptical about office desk jobs and large supermarket chains. It is even hard to even take those elements too seriously because they entire presentation is so whimsical.
Do all games need to be overtly leftist in order to not be conservative?
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Conservative? What in the fuck? The game is a soulful, anti-capitalist love letter to the earth, growth, love, hardship, seasons, animals, and personal relationships. The only thing conservative about it is a reverence for small community and a simpler way of life. I'm left-wing as hell and even I long for those things. It'd be different if the villagers were xenophobic or something, or if the main plot was to keep a Sikh family from settling down into the valley..
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Conservative undertones? I'm curious why you think that. Could you elaborate?
There's strong tones of anti-corporatism and a clear favour towards communal living. And the obvious "care-for-the-Earth" stuff. But I don't think those are necessarily conservative. I could see the argument for Christian undertones, but more in the traditional "love thy neighbour" and "custodianship" sense.
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Please elaborate!
This is news to me
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I'm off the pronoun thing. Just stop. Be whoever, whatever you want. Your pronoun does not define you. You can't make English nonsensical. 'They took a bath.'
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They has been a singular pronoun for centuries. It's only nonsensical if you're a brainlet sucking on the teat of outrage media
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Yeah dude, that Shakespeare guy didn't know English at all when he used the singular they! We should go tell him! Oh, that was over 400 years ago, and wasn't even the originator of it? Oh no. The language has been ruined for so long!
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"Make" English nonsensical? Lol, English is already one of the most nonsensical European languages!
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Singular they is older than singular you. So that is "thy pronoun doesn't define thee" for thee, olden English person. I forbid thee from slandering yon fine folk whilst unlearnéd in the history of speech.
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Complains about nonsense English, provides perfectly normal English sentence as an example. 🤔
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language changes. we don't speak like people did last century. gay used to mean happy. we can make english "nonsensical". we have, and we are, and we will. and you can't fucking stop it any more than you can stop kids from making slang. as much as you hate it, you know how the singular they works, and have no reason to be a little bitch about it. its in the dictionary. suck it up and stop whining.
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Be you, whatever you want. Unless it annoys me. Then don't be that.
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lollol you’re just a few years away from complaining that kids don’t speak properly anymore
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"I truly do not care if ConcernedApe speaks on pronouns in the game any more,” one user said. “I want [him] to condemn the transphobia and violence against the trans members of the community.”
How in the hell is this his responsibility? We have to prove our allegiances now? If I ever become a game dev I'm keeping my head down.
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If I ever become a game dev I'm keeping my head down.
Which is apparently not enough unfortunately. Damned it you do, damned if you don't.
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I'll choose damned by transphobes, if I've got to make someone mad at me lol. It's not a hard choice, and it's not like we're talking about some rinky dink little solo dev anymore
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Remember when people were sending literal death threats to CDProjektRed when they delayed Cyberpunk? This doesn't surprise me in the least.
Or remember any controversy surrounding literally any game (Hogwarts Legacy, Starfield, just to name a couple recent ones)?
Gamers fucking suck. And I say that as a gamer myself.
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It's not "allegiances". A literal child asked for a game feature and transphobes started leaking that child's personal information online.
It's not Eric's fault, but it still is his responsibility to make sure there's a safe way to request features without getting doxxed.
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It is not a creator's responsibility to handle shitheads on a completely unrelated website. That's absurd.
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A totally proportional reaction to the request to add a few words to the game...
However, I still find that the petition exaggerates
There is a huge problem with the game though. When starting a new farm you are tasked with creating a character, but there are only two gender options to choose from. [..] For many trans and non-binary players, the gendered language in the game can feel incredibly disheartening, and invalidating, causing feelings of dysphoria when misgendered while they are playing.
That's quite dramatic.
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It’s extremely dramatic
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Easy to say when you’re not being affected personally.
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The whole thing is phrased the way I phrase acquisition requests at work, everything is true but it's very much written in a way that exaggerates the severity. No major reasons not to add it since it should be quite simple, but that phrasing is bound to tick people off a little. (Edit bc i just remembered this is about doxxing: no of fucking course that's not even remotely an appropriate response and I see 0 justification for it, and I feel like it probably wouldve happened even with different phrasing, this isn't meant to be victim blaming)
Wouldn't be hard to instead say "hey, i have an issue with the lack of a gender neutral pronoun option, it causes feelings of dysphoria for myself and many others which makes me not want to play the game, would be great if that could be added." Or even just leave out the dramaticizing adjectives, that might do it on its own.
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Apart from the non-binary players, I don't see a reason why the trans players can't just play as their chosen gender. The only thing I can think of to break the immersion is having kids, and even then the game doesn't do much to differentiate adopted vs birth children
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I'm getting flashbacks to Hogwarts Legacy when trans people were upset about the character creation in that game for some reason.
My very first character in that game was a witch with a masculine body type (I like pants) with bright-ass turquoise hair. The game has issues, but the character creation was the least of them.
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Do you have any experience of dysphoria?
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Does a male gynecologist need to experience a period to understand that they are uncomfortable? Does a psychologist need to experience mental illness to treat a patient? Does a person need to be world renowned author to identify exaggeration? Do I need to be Trump to know he's talking shit?
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Have you checked out their robust modding community?
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I find it wild that people expect the dev to step up. He makes games and it's unfair to expect him to be/do any more.
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Sounds more like a way to make almost everyone annoyed. All the text would be more awkward for every player, so people who don't care about NB pronouns would justifiably be annoyed: it would actually be a case of identity politics making a product clearly worse (granted, it would be conservative identity politics that caused it), unlike all the times conservatives get mad because minorities exist in media sometimes. And NBs would know the dev put in more work to change all lines of text to remove all personal pronouns just to avoid adding another option for them. It would be a much more direct "fuck you" than doing nothing at all.
I wish English did not overuse pronouns (personal or otherwise) because of the ambiguity and misunderstandings caused by pronouns, but if its gonna change its going to have to start with people changing how they use the language, not some 8 year old game to try to shoehorn in.
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He doesn't have to do fuck all. Of all the game developers he doesn't owe anyone shit. He made an amazing game that was his personal project then continued to support it for years when he didn't have to and never charged for added content. If you have a problem with the game that bad then find another one. Vote with your wallet. That said fuck the doxxers, everyone involved is just being shitty.
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Oh no how horrible.
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Username checks out
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Yikes, trolling on Lemmy is hilariously pathetic.
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I'm not part of the LGBTQ movement, and I can't speak for them as that would not be my place, but I can also not be a general dickwad and let them live in peace when they ask for things that have absolutely no impact whatsoever on my life.
If a small feature such a this make someone happy, then who am I to say something?
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Oh wow another star comment from you!
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That's a gross thing to say about an issue you don't experience
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Idiocracy is when people want to role-play in a role-playing game
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Says the person who doesn’t understand how others feel about themselves.
Instead of talking rubbish so much you should listen to your neighbours.
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On the request itself: based on extracted XNB files, I think that the game currently handles the MC gender in a really, really simple way: pick one text string if the character is male, else pick another string. Adding pronouns sounds like a deceptively large amount of work, and odds are that it would require at least some rework on how the game interprets text strings, in a way that might even affect languages where this is not an issue (like Turkish and Hungarian).
So if I were in CA's shoes, I'd probably compromise by letting the player pick a non-binary character, and use "they" for that character; that would affect mostly English, perhaps Mandarin.
On the doxxing and harassment: do I need to say that this is fucking awful for those people???
On CA's silence: CA is notably silent and non-combative even on things that affect him directly; such as when the Android players were harassing him because of the delayed 1.5 version. Don't get me wrong, I do think that he should publicly condemn the current events (it's the morally right thing to do), but this might take a while.
among the languages supported by the game, I believe that this is mostly an issue only in Mandarin and English - because neither has grammatical gender, but both have gendered pronouns "hot-wiring" to the social gender. This is certainly not an issue in Hungarian or Turkish (no grammatical gender + gender-agnostic pronouns), and odds are that it isn't a big deal in Japanese (where people generally drop the pronoun).
I am not sure on what I'm going to say, but I feel like in the Romance languages and Russian, due to the existence of grammatical gender, there's an "intuitive" understanding that the word forms that you use do not need to match your gender identity, both are separated things. I'm saying this because both non-binary Portuguese speakers whom I know simply... well, they use the feminine and done? So it's probably not a big issue. I'd like input from non-binary speakers of those languages though; since I'm not non-binary myself it's possible that my view is incorrect. Also, if pronouns are added to the game, I'm interested on how it would handle gender agreement.
As far as I know (not kuch actually) there are some tries to slightly reform German (DoktorInnen and alike), and maybe even Spanish where in a group with mixed males& females you'd target them with male pronoun and seemingly that makes some people sad.
It's indeed not an issue with Hungarian, although I've seen a party invitation online that decided that it needs to be inclusive, so the spoken language should be English, and THEN they complained about pronouns. Weird.
That German "capital I" is close to what I'm asking about, but not quite - I'm focusing on agreement, when the form of a word (typically an adjective) is dictated by either grammatical gender of another word or social gender. Specially when dealing with a single individual.
This might be easier to show with an example. From the PT dialogue files:
Note how the form of the word changes from "sozinho" to "sozinha". Other Romance languages and Russian are the same deal in this; German too, with some caveats (if it's a predicative you use the base form).
In this situation, and casual conversation, what do non-binary people feel comfortable using? The two whom I know simply use -a, but that's a sample size of two and heavily biased (both speak the same dialect of the same language in the same city).
I'm asking this in this context because:
the other user there did mention -x, but if I had to take a guess it's just some Anglo trying to pull out a "chrust me". I'm saying this based on their example - "Latinx" with a capital L (an English spelling convention) and using an adjective that is 90% of the time used by Anglos to lump "all those Latin Americans" together regardless of their local identities. (It sounds as silly as some Brit or Surinamese identifying oneself "as a Germanic", you know?)
[Sorry for the long reply. Also, thank you for your input! :D]
I'm only a native Romance language speaker (Spanish) who is both an ally and an amateur wordsmith.
Due to this, I'll not pretend to go into any depth of why you're wrong per the zeitgeist of Spanish youth today, but will instead give you the more or less settled informal solution (The RAE isn't likely to add it officially):
Latinx.
Full stop here. I'm asking them, not you.
Even if you wear their shirt you can't wear their skin, I'm asking about this shit for people who feel it in the skin, you're being patronising and erasing their voice for the sake of your "GIMME GOOD BOY POINTS! I'M AN ALLY, SEE?" slacktivism.