Young voters aren't warming up to Biden. They know it means Trump could win again.
Young voters aren't warming up to Biden. They know it means Trump could win again.

Young voters aren't warming up to Biden. They know it means Trump could win again.

Young voters aren't warming up to Biden. They know it means Trump could win again.
Young voters aren't warming up to Biden. They know it means Trump could win again.
Why is the answer never "Biden has to do something bold and public to earn the votes of the unexcited, rather than leaning on I'm-not-Trump?"
The student loan thing night have worked if the courts didn't shoot it full of holes. Why is he not promising to pack the courts to force it through? Stonewall any legislation that limps through the knife-edge House until they codify Roe? Go for the fucking jugular on something!
Showing some real backbone to Bibi might help, but we can't possibly have that.
I keep expecting they'll reschedule marijuana for the desperate hail mary. You'd think it was perfect for him because in many ways it wouldn't really change the status quo of state-level legalization, but shows he's at least read a dorm room poster at some point in his life.
Because when Obama did it in 08, all those bitter moderates voted Republican.
And they're still shitty that it didn't stop Obama for daring to run against Hillary when it was her turn.
So for 16 years they've been repeating to themselves that a progressive candidate can't win because moderates will vote Republican. Even though the only time in modern history it happened, the progressive still flipped a bunch of red states in a huge win.
The people running the DNC are fucking terrible at getting Democrats elected, because they don't have the same idea of what a democratic candidate should be as what party voters think a candidate should be.
It’s worse than that, they don’t care if a dem is elected or not, they raise more money being the opposition party when a hated opponent is in office anyway. Not like he is going to do anything that hurts them or their pocket books directly anyway
The student loan thing where he's gotten more than 100 billion forgiven? That thing?
The thing where he lost control of the narrative?
Nibbling at the corners night be effective, but it's not the sort of sound bite that makes a great campaign.
Democracy runs on vibes, and it's sad to say, but he might need style more than substance here. Do something that can't be filtered thriugh 92 layers of Congress and the Courts neutering it- something unforgettable. Play a keytar in a neon leotard on Colbert. Promise the return of the 99-cent Taco Supreme. Announce that he could drop Rishi Sunak in a bare-knuckle fight. Go full Dark Brandon.
They will have to live with the ramifications the longest. I suppose politics is always been that way where the least engaged suffer the most dire consequences
Ironically, any negative consequences of their actions they'll deny. It's human nature. Whatever fiction they invent, as a justification, will simply benefit fascists, as lies always do. There are still NAZIs in Germany. Sadly it takes economic stability for the left and progressives to be able to fight back, and there isn't mush of that in the world.
I don't know where USA Today found these people.
Kristian Mansel, 23 said she's willing to see a Trump victory if it means Biden and Democratic Party learn a lesson. She's mad Biden and Democrats have failed to protect reproductive rights or wipe out student loans.
"It's just there's too many strikes against him and the Democratic Party at this point in general," said Mansel, a University of Memphis student who considers herself liberal.
Has she paid any attention at all to what each party is trying to do?
I don’t know where USA Today found these people.
Same place as the Bernie Bros who voted for Trump instead of Hilary Clinton, giving the USA 3 more conservative Supreme Court Justices.
You know, to stick it to the Democrats.
Eventually:
Kristian Mansel, 27, said she's glad that the Democrats have learned their lesson. "If I was still allowed to vote, I'd vote for them this time around."
She was 15 in 2016. Probably not.
Nobody wanted to choose between Hilary and Trump in 2016 and look what fucking happened. Don't make the same dumbfuck mistake by not voting or voting 3rd party without enough support to ever come close to winning.
Everyone sucks; but you're not doing anything good by not choosing the least shitty option.
Nobody wanted to choose between Hilary and Trump in 2016
Party leadership wanted exactly that. They got their second choice.
"It feels like the older generation is still in charge, and there are such huge differences in our experiences," said Jeremy Gold, 30, of Nashville.
"We feel like we've been ripped off by the 'American dream' idea ‒ we've seen the financial repercussions of our parents' and grandparents' generations multiple times over, seen a lot more violence and war than we were originally told would happen, and we feel ripped off," he said. "The lack of voting is probably a little bit of a middle finger to those who passed that to us."
This is how I feel.
Is there some chance Biden might win Tennessee? Why do we care about what a bunch of 20 year olds in Tennessee specifically think?
We don't. The news, however, does. Their mission is to get clicks, and shit like this gets clicks.
(I mean I didn't click on it, but in general I think it's far far more effective than updating people with what's going on with the Houthis or another story about how Trump is a crook or something like that.)
How many troll headlines like this are young voters going to accept? Every headline like this just screams, "Young voters are to f*cking stupid to understand." Seriously trolls, this is the best you've got?
I suppose everyone has to regret something....
ITT: angry centrists who would rather lose and have someone to blame than admit that politicians need to appeal to voters.
Lemmy.world users trying not to blame Biden for his own unpopularity challenge (impossible)
How about we just all admit the government is bad and burn it all to the ground?
I love how anything that's remotely anti-Biden or anti-Democrat gets downvoted around here... god forbid the "politics" sub is neutral...and not one-sided like Reddit...
The user posting is known to post propaganda. If you've read the article, you'd see how one-sided it is. And if young people are turned off by both candidates, why is the article only discussing the supposed "young liberals" that aren't going to vote? Where are the young conservatives?
I'm gonna go and check what are the top 3 posts for the past week in !politics@lemmy.world and !world@lemmy.world
Okay fuck. None of it is anti Biden. However, story number 4 is "Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel." +486 upvotes, -15 downvotes
Seems like if it's criticism that makes sense, people are fine with it, and if it's just an excuse to throw poop nuggets at him, people don't like it. For example I'm not really aware of any significant contingent that thinks it's anything other than horrifying that Biden is supporting Israel in its genocide.
Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel
This is why we cant trust them, they say one thing, then do another
They should refuse to participate in a system that does not represent them or their needs. It's not enough for Biden to say we are not trump when most of his policies are carried over from Trump or are variations of them. In 2020 they voted for Biden and got more of trump.
Feels like a broken record at this point
In 2020 they voted for Biden and got:
And, that all happened despite absolutely rabid resistance from the Republicans at every turn.
A lot of people are still suffering, which makes it hard to feel like anything is good -- in particular, inflation is rising faster than wages at the top end of the scale, which makes it "feel" especially to people in the tech industry like the economy is still doing bad (which, it kind of is). However, wages for people who do housekeeping or manufacturing or etc are actually rising faster than inflation by quite a large margin -- that's incredibly unusual in the modern day even when inflation isn't spiking, and it's a direct result of some of Biden's policies like strengthening the NLRB or spending billions and billions of dollars of Amazon's money on domestic manufacturing.
The criticism of Biden over his criminal support for Israel is real and fair. Of course, he's at least making some limp little noises about maybe giving Netanyahu a stern talking to if he exceeds his dead children quota, whereas Trump just wants to kill all the Palestinians and ban Muslims from the country and maybe start with Hispanics too.
The mythology that people got betrayed who voted for Biden is very explicit propaganda; it has absolutely no grounding in the reality of what happened.
I don't think housekeepers are seeing the increase. They say "the lower end" and I'm pretty sure it's talking about the new stronger contracts unions won through strikes and what not. That's not a ding on Biden.
To be fair - abortion was also a huge issue and Biden has made no progress on that point. It doesn't help to deny his failures even if he has had quite a few successes (and it seems impossible that Biden could have actually addressed abortion rights in any meaningful way beyond what he did). That's a bar he set for himself.
I'd like to know exactly what policies you're referring to.
Let me ask you, how do you feel about the Patriot act? What about the no default student loans? What about the increase of incarcerations from a heighten war on drugs?
Why do you think voting for the guy who did all this just one more time is going to undo all of that when he spent his entire carrier catering to people even more right than the Democrats?
Look buddy, you don't get it. I understand that you don't want chlamidya, but if you don't want gonorrhea you're going to have to make some though choices ok? And if not well it'll be you're fault were all getting chlamidya. Anyway, just one more vote bro, this is the most important election ever I swear! We'll fix it this time, I swear!
Man these right-wingers are annoying. I thought it would be better here on Lemmy than it used to be on Reddit, but I guess standard issue Americans are everywhere :/
It's a really childish view of what voting is supposed to be. No, Biden isn't everything you want, but Trump is a DUMPSTER FIRE who will actively make your life WORSE.
So your choice is:
Ok, and? What's your plan to get people that are barely removed from actually being children to vote more? It's easy to come up with a reason why each segment of non-voters is making a dumb and self-destructive choice by not doing their patriotic duty to elect the better leader, but like, we still need them to vote. Elections are won on turning out unreliable voters.
The only real plan, unfortunately, is experience. They failed to learn the lesson from 4 years of Trump, if the country survives another 4 years maybe they'll think better next time.
"Oh, shit, I totally should have voted!"
Yeah, ya think?
The best things we can do now are too late for '24:
Just getting those two things would go a long way to permanently remove Republicans from power... which is why they won't do them voluntarily.
Yup. That prefrontal cortex thing. Sadly, many people way past adolescence never seem to have a fully-functioning one, either.
He's everything anyone who says this wants.
I want to not have Trump set it all on fire, which means voting Biden.
That's fucking stupid. Most of Biden's base doesn't fucking like him. Our two options both have really shitty approval ratings.
We vote against the guy we hate the most here, not for someone we like.
That doesn't make anything the person you responded to, wrong. Not participating is the same as not voting which the consequences were outlined above. Anyone that doesn't vote for Biden because he's not catering to them as some sort of "fuck you" to the system, is a fucking idiot. The thought that somehow the alternative is a better option is asinine. Life's not fair, and sometimes no. Preferred decisions have to be made. In this particular case, there's only one right decision. Every other choice aligns with Trump, Russia, and fascism, and is therefore, the wrong decision.
Too much naivete to address in this post but I'd certainly omit the word "wise". Not liking the options is one thing, refusing to vote for the better one when the other is credibly accused of espionage is fucking dumb. Young people can vote or not vote but if someone lectures me about not taking part in a broken system they're going to get an earful about how they let assholes ruin their lives through inaction. No one's going to get what they want by doing nothing and you will never get a candidate that fits you 100% (and if you do, you're in a cult).
The recasting of voting as some sort of loyalty or allegiance or like a parasocial relationship you're supposed to have with the candidate is weird and not how it works.
You would vote for them because it'll produce a better outcome.
If you want to get the bums out of the Democratic party, so that we can vote for even better outcomes than the ones currently on the table, fuckin' tell me how, because I'm starting to agree with you that it would be super important. But withholding votes for the better guy over the worse guy in the meantime is like refusing to look for a job until the rates of pay that you're seeing on Indeed start to get higher. Simply not how it works and counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish.
"Hey, if that guy wins, he's going to rob everyone then set fire to their grandmother. That means we can simply do nothing and it's a shoe-in!"
"Au contraire, mon frere. That means so long as we don't set fire to people's grandmothers, not only do we get to rob everyone, but they'll thank us for doing it, and we will own them."
Yeah no. We'll take the L just to see you get robbed too, and the smoke from your burning grandmothers will be as incense in our nostrils.
If the motherfucker thinks people will give him a pass on genocide as tribute for saving the country from trump, he's going to get a brutal fucking lesson in petty spite.
Biden is NOT the one committing genocide. Save that ire for Bibi where it belongs.
Your options are
Do you wanna protest? Riot? Something more drastic? You can vote and do that, so long as you avoid a felony conviction.