Privacy @lemmy.ml lemmyreader @lemmy.ml 10 mo. ago

'Pay or Okay' explained: Why more and more websites make you pay for your privacy - noyb

noyb.eu 'Pay or Okay' explained: Why more and more websites make you pay for your privacy

How do pay or consent systems work and what are the issues? Max Schrems explains it all in this explainer video

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My biggest concern is they will hold your data hostage if you don't pay or try to leave.
- Also, how can we be assured the privacy practices of their subscription/payment platform are at least better than the (likely blockable) trackers?
  
  Forming a financial relationship with a website is, theoretically, infinitely more traceable to your personal identity than all the cookies in the world.
  
  My bank would probably tell everyone before they did.
- Can't do that in the EU (thank you GDPR).
  
  Anti Commercial AI thingy
  
  CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
  
  Im in the US. The law dose not apply to businesses who can pay bribes.
  
  Sadly, they are doing it in spain, the judges recently stated that they can do it, and few days later almost all of the spanish newspappers had it.
  
  but they do this here anyway, at least in germany
Privacy is not paid for. Privacy is taken. it is something that only you can achieve for yourself. paying ransom money will do little
Even if you pay them, your privacy is gone. Any part of you placed in someone else's hands makes privacy a joke
- Now they got ya financial info! Even less privacy!
  
  For true
I misread pay as gay and I thought this thread was going to get spicy
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The reason is because your country doesn't have a GDPR
- The main reason is because the vast majority of people do not care or lack foresight of where that trend has been taking us for over 17 years. Surely you have friends or family who do not care. I do.
- Read the article. It's about the EU.
  
  Didn't read article: check
  
  Mindless shitting on America: check
  
  All we're missing is all rich people are bad!" And we would have hit the Lemmy trifecta.
- GDPR is EU legislation, noyb is an EU organisation. What are you talking about?
  
  I'm talking about passing data privacy laws that make the concepot of the OP illegal, like GDPR.
Is € 251.88 the estimated loss in revenue? I would like to say that it only makes sense if you assume the user will be on the platform either way, instead of just not paying and leaving. However, my experience with others makes me believe they will take whatever option to get to what they want.

I think it's a situation for policy but, at least here in the US, our policy makers aren't in the ethical or learned position to be effective.

What I'm saying is, the boat has holes and I'm concerned.
- Nope they make a bit more.
  
  First article that came up in DDG from 2022: https://www.techadvisor.com/article/745709/this-is-how-much-money-facebook-earns-from-your-data-each-year.html
Needs more pihole.
Just avoid using them. Expecting free services without giving out anything is naive.
I'm fine with this trend.

Servers aren't free and engineers aren't cheap. Online products need to make money in our world.

If you're not paying them they need something to sell to someone else.
- You are naive if you think paying them prevents them from getting more payments by selling your data wherever they can get away with tricking you into consent.
- Problem is that some companies double dip. Pay for the service and have your data sold.
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  And the way you don't bloat your backend?
  
  Expensive engineers
- Or it's a FOSS solution.
  
  Whenever I see FOSS offered as a solution I have to wonder if that person is paying for their own food, shelter, transportation and what have you, or if they are still living with their parents and not making any attempt to support themselves.
  
  Nothing is free. There is a cost incurred at some point. The minimum cost is time, a finite commodity for all living beings, and effort, but other things require materials, which cost someone some time and effort to find, extract, or otherwise produce.
  
  I certainly don't say any of this in defense of capitalism, but "free" is a nonsense concept in human life. It simply doesn't exist.
- this post glows
- Yeah, lemmy is insanely illogical on this topic. Services cost money to run, and the average user is not going to self host anytime in the foreseeable future. I have yet to hear anybody offer a vision of how things might reasonably work without ads OR subscriptions.
  
  The argument as far as I can tell is "FOSS means I don't have to pay anything because it doesn't cost anything! If they ask for donations they don't mean me"
  
  Not a single one of them have a monthly contribution to their instance though. Guaran-fucking-tee it.
- They can just fuck off

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