1y ago

I use Debian BTW

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No time for distrowars
...says the guy that makes a meme shitting on users of every other distro.
- While at the same time not even using the meme format correctly.
  
  I‘m 14 and this is deep, linux edition. :)
  
  I see this always get commented, but I don't get it, what's the right way to use it?

Honestly what is wrong with 'just works'. If the policies behind the project and the security and privacy is all in place using this option is nothing wrong.
For linux to grow it needs to be more 'just works'. Let the complex stuff and simple stuff be there. It's not one or the other.
- Exactly.
  When I was younger, tinkering around was a hobby in itself. But today I actually used my machine and I want it to work without hassle. I don't want to think about swap partition sizes, modeset kernel parameters and that kind of stuff. I want a reliable tool.
  That's why so many devs use MacBooks. They're essentially Unix machines with a proper GUI and mostly work absolutely flawlessly.
  I've been using MacBooks for over ten years now and had exactly one crash: when the drive was failing so hard, it couldn't even spin up anymore.
  
  This is exactly me. For a server it’s Linux but for everyday use/work a MacBook Pro is great. It just works. It’s great as you can fire up the command line to manage Linux servers easily. That’s how I admin my Lemmy Ansible install.
  For gaming I use Windows. It’s all about the best tool for the job.
- Why should I use Arch btw if Ubuntu does everything I need? It's not some locked down os like Windows and I can tweak it however I want
  
  You might want to configure it from scratch, with exactly the tools and utilities you want (e.g. networking utility, desktop environment). Or you might just find this process fun and interesting. Some people take issue with how Canonical is run, and decisions they make.
  
  I think it's funny that so many Linux users talk about how locked down Windows is, when 90% of them live in an effective walled garden defined by their package manager, or other inborn restriction of their distro. I doubt that even 10% are compiling from source with any regularity.
  Why do you need to wait for someone to repackage FF for you before you install it? Just go get it if you run Arch BTW, but you know the overwhelming majority of ArchBros really only know how to install it through Pacman.
- It is ok to use what you like, this is just a joke
- Fedora definitely doesn't "just works". Try installing the proprietary NVIDIA drivers then updating your kernel.
  
  Ford definitely doesn't "just works". Try installing a jet engine on the roof then fueling it with unleaded.
  I don't want to blame you, but I think sometimes Nvidia really enjoys messing with Linux users.
  
  Not just that, but ever since F32 every single fricking update managed to either break something completely or made some part of the OS too unstable for daily use. Bluetooth issues, crashing display server, system hanging on suspend, broken bootloader on some Secure Boot sysems (handover from EUFI to bootloader no longer happening) therefore rendering the system completely unable to boot.. Just some issues I ran into when using Fedora as my daily driver for well over a year.
  Fedora is great when it works, but always keep in mind that having a bleeding edge system comes at the cost of stability.
  
  That was my experience ten years ago : mobile Geforce 660 with "Optimus", two flavours of drivers, of which none worked reliably. I remember fiddling with Nouveau & Bumblebee for hours. I should try another, more stable distro on my desktop, but I rely a lot on some Windows-only programs.
  
  I keep reading this, but I haven't had any issues at all over the past year with Fedora KDE and proprietary Nvidia drivers installed via flatpak. Is it more of a problem when installed via dnf?
- Just works is definitely something Linux should strive for, but at least in my experience and in experience of my friends, "just works" has always been a poor experience.
  What I'm talking about is how you install a just works distro like mint or garuda, and then some package refuses to work or maybe hardware such as a sound card or multi monitor setup, so you gotta go troubleshooting, which isn't very "just works". What's worse is that some of the issues aren't talked about/documented, so you pretty much have to rely on making a post and wait for potentially hours for a response to get help. It's also very hard to troubleshoot the system by yourself if you don't have experience, as you don't really know what's running under the hood as in what came prepackaged by the distro.
- Complaining that something works or that people prefer things that work is a very backasswards critique and deepens the presumed stereotype that home Linux users are just nerds who only like to tinker (which is just partially true).
- To be fair I've been using mint, and whilst THE FUCKING MULTIMONITOR DOESN'T FUCKING WORK (Uhh I wanna punch a drywall)! otherwise it has been suprisingly smooth. Especially since it is my main computer, and I use it to burn discs for older game systems (incl. x360!!!), unity development, and a bunch of other stuff. So I have to say, it is VERY close to it just works.
  
  Ah, that's a dealbreaker. What causes it to fail with several monitors ?

Isn't the point of this meme for the low IQ and high IQ people to have the same preference? Any way, I'm on Linux Mint usually -_-
- Well, ubuntu is based on debian, so it is the same preference.
  quickly escapes the comment section
  
  Can confirm. I'm using Kubuntu because the Debian installer didn't detect my hardware correctly and I couldn't be bothered to figure out why. Aside from snaps, I don't care.
- From freedom, came elegance

Well I can tell you why Linux does not have a higher adoption rate: toxic shit like this.
- Na the biggest and main reason why Linux doesn't have a higher adoption rate (on desktop) is that it's not preinstalled on the devices you buy.
  There are obviously other factors but they are miniscule in comparison
  
  Most people don't want to have to use a cmd line to use their PC.
  Edit: Seriously, why is it such a confusing prospect to linux users that linux is difficult. Literally, every thread on here comparing distros is filled with
  "I used debian, but I had to update it every day or my graphics drivers would fail."
  "Oh to fix that regularly occuring issue, just type 'cgreg320 -I1I0O xx /*poweruninstall the year your motherboard was manufactured' into the command prompt."
  "Oh yeah, Nvidia graphics cards, AMD motherboards, Steam, Chrome, Adobe products, left-handed mice, and the letter F are unsupported on this distro."
  Windows is easy. Not great, but easy.
- I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux.
  
  Oh no, I can no longer tell if you are serious or making fun of the people who are serious.
  
  You're such a shit. 😀
  
  Tomato potato potato tomato.
- Fueds between distros will always exist, like fueds between car manufacturers. It's just banter, except some people take it wayyyy too far.
- but which distro YOU use?
- It's a meme
- This is parroted all the time, all the while linux is doing just fine.
  Why is adoption rate such an important metric?
  
  Serious answer: we need a sizeable installed user base so that the cross-platform developers don't leave us behind. I found this article to be a pretty compelling analysis of how dependent we are on "scraps" from MacOS/Windows versions of web browsers, and how the Mozilla foundation might not prioritize desktop Linux if it runs into financial difficulties. The recent Red Hat controversy also reminds everyone of how dependent Linux as a whole depends on financial backing from deep pocketed corporations.
- All the parrots doing Ubuntu bashing over the last few years are really hurting adoption in my opinion. It still is the best Linux OS for new users for many reasons, even if there are many other ones that might be better suited for other uses or preferences.
  
  Riddle me this—I’ve used Windows, MacOS, Debian, Fedora, and Ubuntu to host a Plex server over the last 12ish years, and Ubuntu has been the most stable, hands down. Currently I’ve got a bunch of VM’s on ProxMox, but Plex still hums away on an Ubuntu Server LTS VM without a hitch.
  I have plenty of reasons to chose other distros for specific needs, but when I want something to just work and be easy on me, Ubuntu is the right choice, and it is definitely a solid place for anyone to start getting into the Linux way of life.
- Actually it's because Linux users are all mentally ill.

How is Gentoo keeping it simple?
- I think the insinuation of the gigantic brain is that it's not
- Simple is unfortunately the negation for complicated and complex, which are slightly different things. Ubuntu is not complicated, but complex. Gentoo is complicated, but not as complex (at least it can be).
  
  lol aren't complicated and complex synonyms (as adjective)?

As a Mint user: What do those symbols even mean? (or: "Distro? What's a distro?")
- A distro is the distribution you want to use for an OS when it comes to linux such as fedora, Ubuntu, mint, arch etc. the symbols are the icons for the individual OS’s
  
  Wooooooosh

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A bell curve featuring numerous wojaks and Linux distribution system icons by IQ score. From left to right they are: At the left 0.1% end of the bell curve with no IQ score labels is a boomlet wojak accompanied by Ubuntu icon and the text: WHERE START BUTTON? Between 0.1% and 14% on the left side of the bell curve, encompassing the IQ scores 55 and 70 is an NPC wojak accompanied by the Arch icon and the text: I USE ARCH BTW Between 14% on the left side of the bell curve and approximately 34% on the right side of the bell curve, encompassing the IQ scores 85, 100, and 115 is a crying Zoomer wojak accompanied by the Fedora icon and the text: JUST WORKS Between 34% and 0.1% on the right side of the bell curve, encompassing the IQ scores 130 and 145 is a big brain wojak accompanied by the Gentoo icon and the text: K.I.S.S At the right 0.1% end of the bell curve is a light brown hood wojak accompanied by the Debian icon and the text: NO TIME FOR DISTROWARS
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- Well done and thank you! A minor mistake: when describing the Fedora user you wrote "test" instead of "text'
  
  Haha, thanks for catching that! I'm glad it was just a typo.
- Thank you for providing a multimodal caption. While I don't need it I know people who do and they appreciate it.
  
  I can see the image, but the transcription still helps to clarify the meaning.

Quick attack users of the most popular distro before normal people start using Linux! We can't allow a good, stable and perfectly usable distro to get popular, we need to bully everyone back to windows or terrible things might happen like the year of they Linux desktop!!
- Quick Attack? Like the pokeymun move?
  
  It's not very effective.

I use Linux Mint because I like Mint Ice Cream
I use Parrot in honour of my parrot Loba
I use Ubuntu Mate because I've always wanted one
I use Peppermint because it's my favourite flavor of gum
I use Rocky Linux because he's my favourite American Hero
I use fedora because I know it will come back in style

This is so stupid. They're all fine.
- Apart from your favourite distro of course!
- H u m o u r

This was me, except I went straight from Ubuntu to Debian. At some point I wondered why I was doing all this manual maintenance. I realized that Ubuntu relies on Debian and so I switched. Haven’t looked back.
- My last Ubuntu install would break my shit all the time. Debian is so much more reliable it's incredible. Haven't had to mess with anything in over a year whereas Ubuntu required constant maintenance. It's a shame it's so popular because Canonical seems to be absolutely awful at testing their package updates compared to any other common desktop distro. I've heard fast fewer issues with Debian, Fedora and SUSE
  
  Interesting. I‘ve installed ubuntu server on my homeserver and added a couple of services like two years ago. I‘m constantly improving stuff and so far, nothing went wrong. I also had a couple ubuntu servers at work, no issues like ever.
  I also installed ubuntu desktop recently and it’s a little buggy (my fault as I didn’t use the lts version I suppose).

Distro swapping is a rite of passage. The grass is always greener. Until you settle and stopped caring about the OS at all. Which is why I went back to Windows (7 at the time) mainly for gaming compatibility.
Proton got me hnnng tho I'll definitely be giving either Endeavor or OpenSuse a go when I build my next computer. Rolling distro sounds like a "set it and forget it" thing and I like that.
- Installing a new distro feels so good to me, makes me happy. I love messing with the settings and stuff, trying a new desktop environment messing with the native apps. Man I love it.
  I'm using OpenSuse's Gecko with rolling release. It's beautiful.
  
  That "new distro smell" 😊
- Yeah but BTW on Arch the grass is always evergreener.
  
  Been trying out EndeavourOS in a VM for a bit. Might be my next home if I don't fall back to good Ol Reliable Debian.
- Garuda linux. I'm running the dragonized gaming distro and have fallen in love with it. A buddy turned me on to it a few months back and it's perfect. Runs all my steam games through proton like a champ.
- I started with Arch and loved it but just recently switched to openSUSE and it might be even better.
- I got everything working great in Fedora with Proton, even my nvidia drivers. Then, a buddy had an idea that we all get and play MWII, which can not run in proton, now I'm back to windows
  
  This is where keeping a pocket Windows dual boot is handy. Probably kept just big enough for two games tops.

NixOS: from where I am, you're indistinguishable
- Haiku: from where I am, you're all Linux
- Nix is great. But I don't think I'd want to use it for a desktop OS base.
  (Disk space/cycle life potential, binary cache misses, broken packages, and complete incompatibility with everything else. User error, TBH, but also stuff that's not really a problem with other systems. Well worth it as a package manager, though.)
  
  Are you saying that having a Debian base system but exclusively installing with nix is the way to go?
  
  I've been using it on various desktops, as a PM but mostly the full OS for 6 years or so. I would hate to switch back.
  Disk space is an issue... I've seen the OS take as much as 100 GB. But in a world of 2TB SSDs for $100, is that a big deal?
  I don't see why NixOS would be any worse for the lifetime of a disk than other distros.
  I've only hit binary cache missed for packages I created, or where I changed build options. IOW: a binary cache miss means Debian wasn't gonna have it anyway. And on the flip side: you can change package build options! Neat!
  Broken packages are, if anything, less of a problem with Debian. Debian has lots of packages that are...not broken, but incomplete, requiring lots of manual config or whatever. NixOS is way better at that stuff.
  User error? Yeah, fair. I'm a programmer by trade, but I can definitely see how it'd be a bit much if I weren't.
  But oh man...you should've seen how trivial it was to switch from PulseAudio to PipeWire (including Jack support etc), leaving no trace that Pulse was ever installed... Or switching from X to Wayland, on a system that I've been doing rolling updates on since 2017, all with a clear conscience... It's beautiful.

Bah, all the same, Linux 6.4, Xfce 4.18, be it Debian or Arch, there is no difference except the package management...
- Laughs in Linux From Scratch
- There's no difference except for the biggest difference between distros, right. Also the kernel and DE version isn't even necessarily the same across distros.

I've been a Linux user since installing Slackware from floppy discs. These days I run Mint on my desktop/laptop and Ubuntu on servers. Does this make me weak?
- Installing Slackware from floppies makes you a badass
- If it works for you, you have find what you want :)
- I started similarly with Yggdrasil, but quickly moved to Slackware, downloading floppy images on a 2400bps modem.
  These days I use Xubuntu on my desktops/laptops and Debian on my servers.
  While back in the day I (to quote Weird Al) "beta tested every operating system, gave props to some, and others, I dissed 'em", I just haven't got time to deal with all that any more.
  
  I was actually a Xubuntu user for a long time, but tried Mint with Cinnamon, and found lots of things much easier and more polished, while maintaining the lightweight feel that XFCE provided.

Debian is for people who have shit to get done and don't care about a neon colored wallpaper, mostly don't have a wallpaper at all.
- Default wallpaper FTW
- Real Chads don't use a DE.
- It's a lot harder to get Nvidia drivers working on Debian than any other distro I've tried including Arch. Every issue besides that one I've ever had in Debian, I was able to fix.
  
  How so? If you have non-free enabled, shouldn't apt install nvidia-driver work?

Kompile It yourSSelf

no time for distro wars if you're too busy hunting down drivers and unbreaking everything :]
(debian still best distro tho)

XFCE Debian is my perfect OS. Just does what I need and that's all. Why look anywhere else?
- For some reason my TV could only do 30hz with XFCE but 60hz with GNOME. I never figured out why. If anyone has the answers, feel free to share. I just gave up and used GNOME lol.
  
  x11 vs Wayland?
- I did xfce for a long time and really enjoyed it. Then I did some hopping to try out tiling, and found paperwm. For me, its just a much better experiance for the way I work
- XFCE was my DE of choice for a long time, it's very practical.

As an Ubuntu user I feel called out. But the callout is also fair… I am conflicted. Is it a mitigating factor that it’s a headless server?
- You should stay on Ubuntu if it work for you. This is just a meme. There is no need to feel bad and force yourself to switch just because other people think your distro is bad :)
- Wait am I missing something? What did canonical do this time?
- Usual sentiment of "the best distro is the one that works for you". I can just say that I found Ubuntu to do a confusing "splitting the difference". It requires more knowledge than using, say, windows, but also tries to hand hold. I put in a lot of time with Raspbian, and now Debian on a desktop, and I like it better because there's less "in-between".
  I'd kind of stumble through windows, sort of getting what was going on but mostly having faith and a hands off approach to what was going on underneath the hood. I didn't really understand or learn much other than keyword recognition and a passing concept of broad principles. Rasbian and then Debian forced and encouraged me to get under the hood more, so when I was troubleshooting I was at least learning why things weren't working. When I had display issues, it wasn't "I clicked the wrong box" it was "because of my SSD my kernel has a race condition with the video driver and x". Not that I would, but I get now how you can slim down an OS for a specific hardware platform if you really wanted. Having done a ton of microcontroller stuff where I was getting different chips and whatnot talking to each other succesfully, this was a HUGE missing piece. "Real computers" aren't a black box mystery to me anymore, even if I'd suck at proper computer engineering.
  Ubuntu kind of over optimized so I didn't learn, but was being asked to do more under the hood anyway. I kept looking at it as adjusting settings the way I did with windows, even though it was asking more of me in terms of understanding to troubleshoot.
  But again, that's me and my experience, and more so it's based off of how I personally learn. I'm still not overly familiar with Ubuntu, but I get now that there's no reason you can't do what I described above, it just never "clicked" for me.
  
  The way you describe Ubuntu as asking you to do more under the hood, and you seeing it as adjusting settings, really rings true to me. Often I find myself frustrated at having to jump through so many hoops to do simple stuff. I like learning to use Linux but sometimes I just don’t have the time for it
- Not judging, just curious: If it's a headless server, what does Ubuntu do better than Debian?
  Edit: Better community support/documentation?
  
  I find that installing things from repos you typically get something far more up to date with Ubuntu than Debian.
  
  When I decided to set up my own server my only Linux experience was experimenting with regular Ubuntu. So Ubuntu server was the closest thing to it, and I figured I would have to re-learn fewer commands. It’s also been my impression that because a lot of inexperienced folks like me start with Ubuntu, that’s where the most beginner-friendly instructions are likely to be. I didn’t really know what Debian was.
  
  Some corporations are switching from Redhat-based (CentOS/Alma/Rocky) to Ubuntu because it offers a professional level of support in the event that support is needed.
  Personally, I prefer Debian for servers and Arch for desktop.

I don't know why people hate Fedora so much and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
- Redhat is shitting the bed nuclear style right now. I expect Fedora is the next one on the chopping block.
  
  Ohh they love their beta Texters. Fedora will never be in a state to be a business driving product especially on servers though.
- I haven't seen anyone hate Fedora until this meme.
  Now, Red Hat, which has strong ties to Fedora, is doing a lot of stupid bullshit. I actually moved to Debian due to that, not really because I think its superior (at the end of the day, all distros can do the same stuff) but because I'm getting tired with corporations
  
  I really hope they don’t screw up Fedora, the last thing I want is to change distro again and go back to Arch.
- I enjoy Fedora and have used it for years but it can occasionally be harder to find packages and tutorials compared to other distros. That and DNF being quite slow.
  That's all I can really think of.

I've tried debian twice, 1st time apt-autoremove deleted half of my system literally seconds after I installed it. The 2nd time I just got tired of constantly messing with apt, dependencies and autoremove. Also the packages are just too old to be a usable desktop for me...
- I use debian on my server. It's been great for that.
  
  It's probably fine for a server, though I still prefer alpine for that

I love Arch and Hyprland, but when I need to spin up some linux machine ASAP that can be used by normies I will install Linux Mint.

Damn you. I'm even wearing my glasses rn

Arch is Debian sid with a better package manager
Checkmate liberals.
- Oh look, another fascist NSA systemd backdoor supporter!
  /throws molotov
- aggree

You want to get defederated?
- ?
  
  I am joking 😃
- Yes

As a mint user, I can confirm that I still don't know where the start button is.
- XD

I like Ubuntu.

I had a girlfriend who used Debian back around 2005.
Never have I been around an OS that didn't work as often as Debian. It wouldn't crash, but need to be updated or something every hour. It was a full time job keeping it running for her.
- man, i wish i would ever have a girlfriend that even knows what Linux is.
  
  man, i wish i would ever have a girlfriend
- wdym, updates every hour? we're you using Stable?
  Even Arch doesn't have updates every hour
  
  Every hour was obviously hyperbole. It would break often. Normally due to some issue that would pop up, most often drivers.
  She did run on unstable and had a fetch for updates automated every evening. Her goal wasn't a stable OS, but to be at the forefront of testing. She knew no programming, so it meant that she would report bugs and have a box with a giant fan that didn't run anything most of the time. She made bad choices.
  I'm sure stable Debian is stable. I'm sure it's gotten better in the past 15 years, but the fact my experience with Debian was an unstable mess that was more of a job than a useable system makes me suspicious of the distro.
- If you run testing or unstable there will be updates available very very often. But, you choose when to update, you don't need to update anytime an update is available.
  You should know what you're doing and expect this if you're running it. Otherwise, you should use stable. With stable, you'll typically just have security updates until you choose to update to the next stable, which typically is released every other year.

But it does just work 😁

I'm currently just after the fedora stage so far. Guess I better go try Gentoo.
- Although I don't consider myself an advanced user, I used to daily drive Gentoo a few years back.
  Just don't waste your time compiling packages like firefox and libre office. There are binaries available for big packages so make use of those. It won't make much of a difference in performance imo.
  
  Wasn't that Gentoo's whole shtick? You'd compile everything from scratch so it would be very slightly optimized for Your Hardware?
  I should note I used to recompile my own kernels under Slackware, so I'm guilty of this.

As an Ubuntu weanie why should I swap?
- If it works for you, you shouldn’t
  
  I mean, you’re right.
  But….
  ….. let’s be honest. There’s no reason not to try some variety.
  (Yes I have usb keys of All the good ones…)
- You don't need too, Ubuntu is perfectly fine if it works for you.
- it can get resource hungry but nothing even close to windows.
  But as others said: Try another distro if you like to try new things - otherwise just use what works for you.
  
  Yea that makes sense. I've been curious about Arch given how many resources there are for learning it. Weirdly enough I know two people who have tried it, one said it was the easiest setup they've ever done and the other said it bricked their laptop.
- There is nothing wrong with using Ubuntu if it works for you.
- Don't. It's good.
  I've been more of a Kubuntu guy in the past tho.
- If you are curious and haven't tried all there is to offer you might not realize that you like another flavor.
- Most distros really aren’t too different fundamentally, so if you’re happy where you are there isn’t much reason to switch. It can be fun to swap just to see what’s different (and learn what differences are really just skin deep), but you don’t have to. Some distros have more big ideas behind them which can be interesting (like nixos) but mostly they all feel pretty similar.
- It is okay, just us what you like. There is no need to change your distro just because others are
  
  Ya for sure. Buuut I'm not afraid to hear some passionate opinions about things if anyone has them haha
- Non rolling release distros for your desktop makes no sense.
  
  Why?

Red Hat making memes now?

I am a Debian unstable user who used to use Gentoo, the reason I stopped using Gentoo is revdep-rebuild. Do not want to do another revdep-rebuild ever again.
- That's mostly replaced by emerge @preserved-rebuild now.
  
  Slackware was my first distro more 25 years ago! Good times.
- Real men use Slackware. Obviously.

What about opensuse
- "Precision German Engineering"
- Can we talk about Solaris for a minute?

I still love Debian to bits and pieces but I can't convince me to use it as a daily driver again. And I used it as such for nearly a decade.
My main issue is the software being dated. Yes, there are backports, and with flatpak support we can circumvent that even better but... no.
- what about Debian unstable?
  
  Debian by itself is not very user friendly; running Sid, at least from my personal experience can be very... interesting.
  I'm not that very tech savvy, although I can set up, install and manage my systems.

+1 for Debian here, but I'm on KDE.
- I am on KDE too :D

Lol. Arch for desktop, Debian for servers is where it's at, IMO.
- Debian is great for gaming too

Nixos: chewing on arch documentation in the corner
- XD

I'm on Ubuntu. A week ago I had to look up how to use a python script. I wouldn't even hide porn that much.

Pretty accurate. Heard someone describe Debian as "boring Arch" the other days and it's pretty accurate. Whilst the base system is still fairly useable it's still pretty bare bones and it seems like most Debian users will tweak it slightly to their liking and just stick with it. Been me for the past few years

Remind me what the two on the right are.
- From left to right: Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian
- 4th is Gentoo. 5th is Debian's logo inverted, so I'm not sure if that's supposed to be Debian or a derivative that I don't know off hand because there are so many.
  
  I thought it was the debian logo , mandella effects tho :O
- The rightmost is Debian, not sure about the other one though.
- Gentoo and Debian, https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Collage_Linux_Distro.png

I spend more and more time after each new fedora install to get it perfect. There are so many small tweaks i gotta do that I might just learn NixOS
- That's what I've been feeling but my monkey brain is struggling to learn it

I use Debian XFCE, and it is perfect for me.

Linux from scratch users : 🫣🤪🥵🤯😭😭😭☠️👹
- Usually we fall into the arch (btw) category

Debian: "I'm a Docker container"

Pop!OS because a tiling window manager is nice but I can turn it off too

What about OpenSUSE?
- Suse is cool

Manjaro should fit between Ubuntu and Arch

Serious question: For those wanting to run Linux, and not having experience in the command line, which distro would you recommend? Gotta be as user-friendly as possible.
- Ubuntu.
  
  apt install firefox
- As with anything Linux, the answer is, it depends, and each person will give you a different answer. Mine is that is you want something close to Windows? Go for Linux Mint.
- Mint or Solus.
  Solus was specifically designed to be for normal people and for you to have to use the terminal as infrequently as possible. However, the software selection is more limited than in other distros.
  
  I have a bit of a hard time recommending solus because they have been back and forth on development for the past couple of years. It is a project with great potential, but it needs to be actively maintained.
- I would say mint or Pop. Ubuntu works but it's become a little annoying to work with.
- Fedora or Pop
- Fedora/KDE
- I've never had a easier time going from bootable to functional than using Nobara, even Mint gave me more hassle creating a functional bootable than Nobara.
  It's based on Fedora Linux so if you were gonna go that route I'd say give Nobara a try.
- Linspire or Linux Mint
  But you should get used to the console, just start using it, it's fun
  
  Ubuntu Cinnamon is what'd I recommend more if you're starting out and want to play video games. Lutris dropped support for Linux Mint because both parties were a bit too stubborn on making the appropriate changes that would work for everyone (iirc, LM packaged drivers differently and Lutris wanted it a bit more standard to work efficiently. And immovable object had met an unstoppable force)
- Zorin.
- Pop! All of the others pale in comparison.
- I would seriously recommend you use gentoo for a bit. It is not user friendly, you use the command line constantly, the install process is mostly manual. But nothing teaches you the fundamentals like using it.
  Now, personally I did this on a second PC as a home server hobby. Dunno if I'd recommend it for a novice wanting a desktop experience.
  
  "Hey I need this to be user friendly and simple."
  "Use not insert user friendly distro so you can get better even though you're probably one of the 99% of humanity that doesn't need their computer for more than dicking around on a web browser and couldn't give less of a fuck about OS's and computers."
  This is why no one wants to use fucking Linux.

Debian me to

I'd say Void linux and opensuse also qualify for the "No time for distrowars" section.

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- As a Kali user, I bring ladders everywhere to have the strongest WiFi signal.
  im so glad i bothered translating that. truly enlightening.
- Any binary speakers?
  
  Nope, they're all analog

I haven't tried using arch since I was 12, and even after all these years the experience makes me feel like such a poser, I didn't even manage to compile the kernel, and gave up before I had anything resembling an OS.
- You.. don't generally need to compile the kernel to use Arch? Or is this some joke
  
  This was over 20 years ago, so I don't know and/or remember, point is I had no idea what I was doing, possibly just trying to build a window manager or something then? All I remember is only having a CLI and feeling like I couldn't get anything to work.

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