China's really not going to care about some kid chatting shit abroad, I feel like you've been reading too much western propaganda.
Don't waste the MSS's time.
They might be rich. Lotta int. students, especially in undergrad come from wealth. If so, there ain’t no way you gonna change her mind on China lol.
With the prices of flights to China, she MUST be ABSURDLY rich.
There are plenty of liberals from the PRC, especially from the big liberal cities such as Shanghai. There are still a whole bunch of NED funded media/social media accounts in the mainland in general.
In my experience meeting such classmates they're not that different from some of the HK/TW international students as they all tow the same line.
I have met a few that are not liberal, however my thought here is always, why would they chose to come here, Some for the international understanding, but moat will chose a place with an ideology they think will align with them
One of the main reasons might be the fact that some of the highest ranked universities are located in the US, UK, Australia etc.
Competition is quite intense in the mainland and usually a degree from a university from these countries will add some prestige to their resumes (sometimes we refer to those as 'plating it in gold').
I wouldnt worry, these chinese ameriboos pose no threat to china really since the material reality speaks for itself. Look at how joshua wong ended even with complete backing of the West lmao.
But like maybe confront her propaganda?
A lot of expats will try incredibly hard to prove that they are "one of the good ones" to try and fit in with the racist white people in their new country, by constantly badmouthing their home country and talking about how "superior" white culture is. They get empty, shallow relationships with people where they spend their entire time licking boot and either being mocked or fetishised.
(EDIT: this person is NOT from Taiwan), so they probably don't even know that they're spreading misinformation, they probably think they're being genuine. Not sure there's anything you can do about this though. Sure, they'll spread misinformation, but it's only stuff the gullible racist white folks around her already belief (or want to believe). You confronting her or trying to disprove her claims will be ignored, because she's Chinese and you aren't, therefore she knows more in every circumstance automatically, as long as she agrees with the western status quo of course.
Just...try not to be bothered by it. Maybe speak to her in private, try to understand why she says the things she does, try to understand her as a person, maybe even make friends with her, she might not be as horrible as you initially think. You're not going to change any minds trying to "debunk" everything she says, and you're only going to make enemies that way. You need to be friendly and sincere, you don't need to hide your opinions, but you don't need to shove them in people's faces either. People aren't going to change their mind just because they were "proven wrong." People just double down on bad ideas if they're challenged on them like that. It needs to be a slow, steady, educational process, teaching people how to understand sources and judge claims and challenge their preconceived notions.
Sounds like this person is from Taiwan
Where do you get that impression from?
Based on them being rich and being 100% sincere in their believing of western propaganda. They could be from the mainland, but I've met people from Taiwan who were more ignorant about Chinese history (especially the PRC's history) than westerners. I'm assuming this person has been educated (or indoctrinated, if you prefer) into anti-China/pro-West attitudes, which are prevalent in Taiwan.
lol no, don't be a snitch. Nobody likes a snitch.
Why is this ignorance upvoted?
Shame on this liberalism. Shame on your cowardice, your weak will.
1 month old account and already spreading nonsense.
Are we that full of anarcho-liberals who think good things and bad things are exactly the same, all cops are bastards and government and authority are bad that we just accept "snitching" is bad?
No. Reporting counter-revolutionaries and liberals is good when done to socialist authorities.
Do you think a revolution will succeed or endure in the face of external attempts at overthrow, pressure, etc without snitching? Without reporting liberalism? Counter-revolutionaries? Traitors? etc. Of course not.
Why then do you hate China? Why do you hate an in-power communist party? Why then do you take the position that there is harm to socialism, to communist parties, to the global proletariat from reporting backwards, anti-social, improper, and treasonous behaviors? Should people not be held to account?
Do you think counter-revolution springs out of thin air? How do you think the events of June 4th occurred? Did they materialize out of nowhere? Or was there a build-up of exactly this kind of person, this kind of thinking, forming networks, organizing, etc. How do you think terrorism and CIA spy rings operate but through people like this, their friends, their acquaintances, family they pressure or trick into revealing info. Every little piece of information is helpful for understanding the whole, the puzzle. For building leads, understanding relationships, uncovering persons of interests.
Do you seriously think that a western citizen who reports an overseas Chinese citizen to the PRC will help China? It will draw unnecessary attention because it will make it look like China is somehow "recruiting spies" in the US. This girl is probably just some rich kid who loves the west. Have you never seen them before? Have you even left your room and interacted with the outside world? There are plenty of people from China abroad that criticize the shit out of the government. The Chinese government doesn't give a shit about small fries like them cuz they're powerless to actually effect any change. Are you even thinking dialectically? Or do you think you'll get some reward from the Chinese gov't for doing such a thing? WTF are you on about??
I wouldn't. If she really is that prominent and dangerous within China, the MSS likely already knows about her. If she isn't, you're just wasting their time. (And possibly, if the story breaks in the liberal media, creating a martyr).
Plus, you're gonna have it on your record that you were in contact with a foreign security service. Don't think that won't come back to bite you later on -- the US government has sent communists to jail for less.
(And possibly, if the story breaks in the liberal media, creating a martyr)
Tell that to the dumbass below (https://hexbear.net/comment/4684307) who wrote out an entire screed about why it's good to snitch on this girl lololol
I'm gonna quote that user for posterity's sake:
Why the fuck is this ignorance upvoted?
Shame on this liberalism. Shame on your cowardice, your weak will.
1 month old account and already spreading nonsense. Having a lemmygrad account is a privilege not a right.
Are we that full of anarcho-liberals who think good things and bad things are exactly the same, all cops are bastards and government and authority are bad that we just accept "snitching" is bad?
No. Reporting counter-revolutionaries and liberals is good when done to socialist authorities.
Do you think a revolution will succeed or endure in the face of external attempts at overthrow, pressure, etc without snitching? Without reporting liberalism? Counter-revolutionaries? Traitors? etc. Of course not.
Why then do you hate China? Why do you hate an in-power communist party? Why then do you take the position that there is harm to socialism, to communist parties, to the global proletariat from reporting backwards, anti-social, improper, and treasonous behaviors? Should people not be held to account?
Do you think counter-revolution springs out of thin air? How do you think the events of June 4th occurred? Did they materialize out of nowhere? Or was there a build-up of exactly this kind of person, this kind of thinking, forming networks, organizing, etc. How do you think terrorism and CIA spy rings operate but through people like this, their friends, their acquaintances, family they pressure or trick into revealing info. Every little piece of information is helpful for understanding the whole, the puzzle. For building leads, understanding relationships, uncovering persons of interests.
Yeah, I saw that. The sad thing is, the sentiment expressed isn't wrong -- state power does at times need to be deployed against counterrevolutionaries -- it just has no bearing on the present case. Thinking we need to freak out and call the authorities over every single instance of anticommunism is the mentality which produced the worst excesses of the Cultural Revolution. And those excesses helped create by reaction some of the liberalism which unfortunately exists in China today.
Or to put it more succinctly: McCarthyism, but in reverse, is Not A Good Idea.
Lmao this is absurd
Tell that to some of the commenters, one person in particular insists that snitching is ok. Also went all debate bro about it.
Maybe I'm a liberal by saying this but I pray this is a troll post
I doubt anything will come of it, but if you ask me? Report her. Every little action matters, and just remember- these libs will almost certainly do the same if the opportunity arose.
Do it
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Is this a joke post or are you seriously trying to snitch?
From the way you describe her, they already know.
Ok judging from reading the entire spectrum of replies to this, I would advise not reporting this person. I've had convos with tons of naive young chinese people who are basically obsessed with consumer culture. They can be irritating yes but it's probably not worth your time, and then the finger would be immediately pointed at you. And just basic morality... lol. unless you have hard evidence they are doing serious crimes, not worth your time.
You should try to change her mind first and show her evidence of how much the CPC has improved the country compared to what they had before 1949 or contemporary countries like India.
That's an approach for foreign-born Chinese.
For students born and raised in China and studying abroad, it's a different matter. They have a very clear, first-hand experience of conditions in the West, conditions in China, and how the Western media portrays China. Unless OP has spent as much time in China as they have in the US, telling them about the reality of the difference isn't going to wash well with them. Yet another case of Westerners telling Chinese how to act, even if the politics are reversed.
That's a lost cause. She also hates me and uses swear words in every second sentence to curse both me and China.
Can't you just ignore her and let her be? It's coming off as if you're looking for revenge because she doesn't like you tbh.
The only reason the question is anything like a logical possibility is because she's Chinese and the other libs around you presumably aren't. It's racist to single her out.
There are countless things you could be doing to combat liberalism. Snitching on international students isn't one that you should be doing. Think positively rather than negatively. As in, what can you do to build communism wherever you are? Not, how do I tear down what others are building?
By this I mean, I'm not sure that you should even think of targeting the political organisations that she's involved in; it won't address the elephant in the room – the fact that the main political parties in your country are likely to be bourgeois, not to mention the fact of the actual bourgeois. It's like swatting flies instead of sweeping away the massive turd.
Seems insane to Western-splain China to a Chinese citizen you don't like the politics of
You probably should report them to the MI6, CIA, NSA, IRA, YMCA and all other organizations just to make sure. In fact, just start screaming at people in the street about this one random college/highschool girl or else communism as a whole will just collapse.
Watch out China, fucking Hannah from Wisconsin junior college repeated something every white person already says.
I don't think it really matters since I see her type get clowned on constantly on Chinese sites, but if you feel like she's really up to something it might be a good idea.
See, shit like this is why I'm worried for the future of socialist project in China, despite what folks here say
Many times liberals and their media/social media within the PRC flare up each time a democrat is elected in the US as they are given funding to spout and spread their bullshit (a term we usually refer to as 'dog food').
To be honest the environment was much worse a decade or more ago. Imagine being denounced as a pinko by Chinese liberals inside the PRC in the 2010s and prior just for saying a single positive thing about their own country lol.
Talked to a few of them recently and hearing their fear of the next generation being so "deeply red" was interesting, because they were hoping that everyone would become even more liberal and end up like Japan, full of pretty anime and pop culture while being subservient to the West.
Nah, this is just some spoiled brat. IME, the closer they are to having a peasant background, the more they put their trust in Xi and the CPC. It also helps that Chinese tourists can see the dilapidated shithole that is US infrastructure with their own eyes. Plus, China is at the forefront of technology at this point. Their consumer products are beating the US. In Blackshirts and Reds, Parenti mentioned how those Westophile liberals were suckered in by cheap high-quality consumer goods from the West. In the 60s, this was true, but now? Chinese liberals can buy cheap shit made in China and shipped to the US or they can buy high quality products made in China for the Chinese domestic population. At a certain point, it's just pure ideology. Even those loser HK protestors have conceded that the Mainland has better infrastructure and living standards by malding "uh aktually, since Hong Kong no longer has freedomTM or democracyTM, we might as well go to the Mainland where the trains are newer" lmao
I would report her as a Chinese spy to my local police / SWAT team and just kinda let the American Security State do its things
oof. I don't know if the repercussions to that will be in your favor if they look at your communist history and they can prove that you reported false things to the police. That would be very funny if it worked though. You are betting on racism over competence of the police force if you do that.
if they look at your communist history
I doubt they'll look much harder than
You are betting on racism over competence of the police force if you do that.
In my experience, it's been a safe bet
I mean its a bet I would make
What the fuck is wrong with you?
no
Let her go, let her tarry... I mean come on, she's showing her ass at this moment...
On the other hand, take notes, but if she gets prosecuted for treason, you can always give evidence...
Take as an excuse to spy. Dig into her online and personal life. Read her journal if she has one, if not gift her one so you can snoop later.
WTF no, she might be reactonary, but dont go and snoop on her
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Don't denounce. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
You can have an opinion and trying to understand material reasons why people have other opinions is valuable. However, this obviously only goes so far. Should Nazism be treated as an equal legitimate political ideology worthy of respect?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. If a Nazi wants to think and articulate nazi things, it's on us as a society to argue against it, not to forbid thoughts. Here's a interesting article of the culture of denouncing during Nazi and GDR times:
https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/creating-a-culture-of-denunciation/
And about the concept of freedom of thought: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought You might recognize that especially repressive regimes resorted to curtail freedom of thoughts in the past.
Naah. Fuck free speech. No investigation, no discussion.
I mean, if she's shown her ass around here publicly, you don't need to tip 'er off to others that she's a special kind of person... just take notes...
