Alarm grows as Ukraine’s counteroffensive falters
Alarm grows as Ukraine’s counteroffensive falters
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I live in fear conscription and hope of borders opening. The second they do, I'm leaving this dump forever.
When I watched them dismantle USSR's coat of arms on the Motherland Monument in Kyev, I had that wretched feeling in my guts. I have no motherland anymore.
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At least I'm getting some gimp experience.
This quote is particularly telling.
Those concerns picked up steam in the past week after Ukraine launched a second push in the southern Zaporizhzhia region and has still come up mostly empty in the eyes of Western allies.
You know, like when you are doing a group project and all your "partners" just watch you do all of it, but in this case the project is made with other people's blood, and you already knew the whole class was gonna fail anyway.
It would be funny seeing the blame game getting heated between (what remains of) Ukraine and NATO, if not for all the senseless and pointless spilling of blood they could've avoided from the start. I bet eventually they'll agree on some third-party scapegoat a la WW1 Germany.
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Anybody who thinks the west is doing this to help Ukrainians needs to stop smoking crack. There was even an article a few days ago that actually admitted that the west knew Ukraine lacked the resources to do the offensive, but forced them into it anyways:
The big question is how the west gets out of this debacle now. Having spent two years propagandizing the public, it's hard to do a 180 on the spot. A lot of politicians have their careers staked on this war, and if Russia wins decisively then they're going to be politically toxic at that point. They asked people to make all these sacrifices saying it would be worth it in the end, and now the end is coming and it's not what they said it would be.
My prediction is that they're going to throw Ukraine under the bus saying that Ukrainians lied about the state of the war, and maybe they're gonna remember about all the nazis too all of a sudden. Framing all this as the fault of Ukraine seems like the only solution at this point.
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But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day
Why though. What makes Ukrainians so resourceful and courageous according to them? This shit reeks racism like "the Russian are less brave and smart because actually they're 70% asian while Ukrainians are actually 60% european" fr 💀
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I've been under the impression Ukraine was an explicit trap for Russia, to draw them into a quagmire war they couldn't really avoid, and that the West intends to draw it out for as long as possible to tie up Russian resources and possibly even break them through attrition.
Ukraine's current regime has become aggressive towards its Western paymasters, hyped up on their own fascist rhetoric if their politicians are anything to go by, and they're losing bad, proving they're an unreliable and dangerous ally. However, I don't think they'll be thrown under the bus quite yet. I suspect, if NATO's puppet regime can't win, they'll just turn the region into a terrorist state. Whatever government Russia sets up there will need constant Russian military support, and this will be used as propaganda of how Russia "conquered" Ukraine. Fascist resistance, heavily armed, will be trained, supplied, and directed by NATO for years to come, shown as "freedom fighters", while every action Russia takes to keep its borders secure - or even to help Ukraine against fascist terrorism - will be skewed and displayed as tyranny.
In other words, the US will do what it does in every country it fails to install its puppets. At least, that's my prediction. But who can say?
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They will do 100% WE DIDNT know that Ukrainians were nazi and doing genocide on russians1!1!1 we have to critically analyze the situation sweetie. And suddenly all anarcho-bidenist will be „it was just like iraq“.
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I bet eventually they’ll agree on some third-party scapegoat a la WW1 Germany.
This is also why they relentlessly always push for the great man being responsible for everything, because blaming individuals get them great freedom of policies afterwards - if they win, they have their heroes, if they lose they have their scapegoats and enemies are greatly personalized too in case of sudden flip in propaganda if they become vassals. And the people are never, ever, demanding systemic resolution to what exactly cause the entire conflict in the first place.
In this case they are already blaming dead Zaluzhny for the Nordstream and they will blame Zelensky for the losing of that war.
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I think so as well, once Ukraine runs through their current stocks of western weapons they can't be easily replaced. Ukraine is also losing a lot of its motivated and experinced soldiers who are being replaced by conscripts who are untrained and unmotivated.
Once the offensive burns out, Russia will be marching against a depleted and demoralized army.
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lol. lmao
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The weirdest part of all this is watching those daily casualty updates by the OSINT guys.
Every day they claim that another 500+ Russians were killed and one Ukrainian stubbed his toe, and they've kept on claiming that all summer, even as Ukraine was doing WW1 style assaults into minefields and trench lines, without air support, and with a severe disadvantage in artillery. Those guys must be getting fucking slaughtered.
It's so fucking tragic and the people (us) pointing out the reality since (before) the beginning have been called every name under the sun for daring to contradict the NATO narrative. Will they learn? They obviously didn't last time; but a good chunk of the younger ones, who weren't political and so didn't have much of an opinion during the last one might be radicalised.
Gotta convince those yanks to keep throwing money at them.
I successfully forgot OSINT existed until you posted this. Goddamnit.
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