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At-will state fantasies
- Exactly this. If you don't want me to quit without notice, do you also vote against politicians who vote for "right-to-work" legislation?
  Yeah, you don't get to write a fucking law that says you can fire me on the spot for any reason at all and then insist that I give you two weeks.
  Besides, these days it's a different world - there's a labor shortage. A serious one. Warm body? You're hired. Nobody gives a fuck. They can't afford to. Especially in minimum wage.
  
  Unless you're in IT, apparently? Idk.
  Relatedly, my conspiracy theory is that the spate of recent layoffs are coordinated pushback against all the strikes and unionizing as well as pushback against RTO etc. Just a wild idea I had... May be total horseshit, idk.
  On the other hand, we have seen collusion in the past within some sectors (e.g., price fixing, no poach agreements, wage fixing), and antitrust violations often go unpunished or weakly penalized, corporate leadership is strongly driven by profit often to the exclusion of ethics and at the expense of all else. And employee compensation is a significant part of most company budgets. So, I think my wild idea is at least somewhat plausible.

While I doubt this actually happened, I'm still disturbed by everyone cheering it on absent any context that would make OP not look like a petulant child.
Quitting without notice doesn't require justification, fuck the bosses, whatever.
But for all we know, this manager had bent over backwards to stand up for their employees, or cover for them. Maybe this employee took advantage of that and was miserable to his coworkers. Those are just as likely as anything else, given that no further information was provided.
At least invent a backstory how this manager was dogshit or abusive, or the company was awful. Make us want to believe that you're not just someone with a persecution complex who's quick to anger and lash out.
- The manager is an agent of the company, the default assumption is that they have the company's interests ahead of the workers.
  Individually, your experience may vary.
  
  It is sad this is the defacto situation now, but it shouldn't be that way. Managers should be there in interest of employees, to keep them on board, happy, and able to do their job efficiently... The company can't run without workers. Too many companies have forgotten that. A manager should be a buffer between the employees and the "corporate machine" (or better yet get rid of the corporate machine, but ya know...).
- I'd be more inclined to see your point, except that the manager in question said "each job requires 2 weeks notice" like he was indignant that he didn't get something he deserved.
  That's not only not true at all, it's active manipulation on their part in a hail Mary attempt to have their work covered for enough time to look for another employee.
  It may be unprofessional to quit without notice, but it's really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks' notice, particularly in a place that might also allow the employer to fire someone for any reason at any time with no notice.
  
  it's really unprofessional to present the act of quitting as requiring 2 weeks' notice
  If it's part of the contract then it's not unprofessional at all to bring up the terms that you've agreed on. My job requires a month's notice and it wouldn't be unprofessional for my employer to bring that up if I tried to quit on the spot.
  That being said, I don't live in a place with "at-will employment", which is a fucking travesty and should never have been allowed in the first place.
- I have a very nuanced take that involves licking boots nuancedly
  
  Pointing out the lack of context and the tantrum like behavior isn't nuance. The fact that you think otherwise makes me concerned for your ability to safely cross the street.
  
  It's not licking boots to acknowledge that managers are people.
  Every evil organization in history has had good people working for it. You hating them is yet another way the "above" people divide the "lower" people.
  That being said, absolutely assume the manager is on the side of the company. This is a meme, we can't even prove if this shit is real. Fuck the company.
  
  I just like the taste, ok? Same with cocaine, I just like how it smells. Got any coke? Or boots?
- I'm curious about the relationship to managers in different industries. Fast food compared to programming. Warehouse/stacking managers have always treated the workers like idiots where I've been at. IT support depended on the company. Mail sorting was pretty chill as long as the work got done.
- Thank god you're here, I was tossing and turning in bed at the thought that nobody was considering the feelings of the poor managers!
- It's a meme, all that backstory wouldn't fit
  You're saying it's silly to assume/make up the backstory of the employee, yet you dedicated a whole paragraph making up a backstory for the boss
  It's a meme my guy, in a community titled Lefty Memes, what do you expect?
  
  Hey, fuck you... just kidding.
  TBH I just clicked on this when scrolling All and didn't even notice what community it was until well into my comment taking off with replies.
  The conversation evolved, and devolved, from there. Not much to do about it now.
- If you doubt this actually happened clearly you've never worked in customer service/ food service
  
  I’ve spent my life in customer service/retail sales/food service and I doubt this actually happened.
  
  How many Lemmy users do you think have never worked retail customer facing jobs, or food service? I'm betting it's a minority, but I could be wrong.
  Either way, whatever internal compass you use to determine another user's job history needs some tuning because I've worked in plenty of service industry jobs.
- Tell me your dad left you his RV dealership and you never had a job before that without telling me
  
  Amazing. You're really something special. Have you tried staring at goats?
- federation was a mistake folks
- Hog out or log out.
- Nah. Fuck em. If they were a decent manager they'd thank them for the notice they did get because they know that many managers punish people for giving notice.
- No. The managers speaking on behalf of the company, and the company can fuck itself.
  All companies can fuck themselves.
- I'd say the reply from the boss is enough to justify that response. The boss is chiding him for not putting in a 2 weeks notice, calling him unprofessional. From this one interaction you can make a pretty good assumption as to the quality of the boss. The only proper response to someone quitting is either a counter offer or a farewell, not a guilt trip.
  
  Not really... It is unprofessional. That doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong, just that it's not always unreasonable for a manager to point that out. Again, we lack any other context for the situation.
  I would add, that he also followed it up with a good luck and didn't drag it out. So, based off what limited evidence we have available, he seems like the more reasonable person in this situation.
  Have you never had a good manager and a bad coworker?
  
  It is unprofessional though. And that boss was not really being a dick.
  Now this person has to go call the staff to find someone to fill shifts last minute, which everyone hates.
  Unless your relationship with your boss is absolutely awful, it's not hard to give notice.
  The "you're lucky you even got a text" really looks like the employee is toxic.
  
  Saying you did something unprofessional is a guilt trip?
  
  Dunno why you're getting blasted, you're right. What good is chastising the employee at that stage going to do if it isn't meant as a guilt trip? Does anyone really think the manager had his best interest in mind and is trying to look out for his future? Or is it more likely he is trying to keep shifts covered for 2 more weeks so productivity doesn't completely tank? I'd be completely okay with a simple "ok" or thumbs up emoji compared to a lecture.
  
  I feel like this is absolutely an appropriate response. A really shitty boss would sue or fire them for cause. Chiding them is pretty dang tame.

They deserve exactly the same notice they give when they axe thousands of jobs, Zero. Fuck the bosses.
- Well, laws can change that. So instead of fucking bosses, fuck workers protection laws.
  
  It's also a shame that holding ourselves to bare minimum of laws is acceptable. Laws should not have to equal moral contracts for people to have moral contracts..

If they’ll fire us with no notice, we should quit with no notice.
- The only reason to give notice is if there are benefits to giving notice, like having banked PTO paid out or something (if you’re in a state where it’s not required to be paid out). Otherwise, absolutely call the morning of and let them know you quit.
  
  That may not be the best advice. Depends on your industry, but burning a bridge so quickly may hurt you in the future. I’ve had former coworkers and other managers help me get my foot in the door for another job.
  Besides, there’s something cathartic about knowing the end is right there and still getting paid for it.
- Take the notice period required when quitting and mandate they pay you that much extra when they fire you.
- Depending on the job, that can be pretty fucked up for the people you work with. Your co-workers often deserve some consideration too. If you're doing something that doesn't require knowledge transfer, then whatever, but if you have specific and complex knowledge of systems that you need to transfer to other people who will be responsible for maintaining them in your absence, it's pretty messed up to just dump that shit in their lap.
  
  That is just a sign of poor management in general. If an employee quitting causes that much disruption, there is usual a direct correlation with poor practices.
  
  Your co-workers often deserve some consideration too.
  If they don't like it, they should unionize.
  
  Sounds like management’s problem if they didn’t require you to document your job for the next person.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

- In the US there is no notice period for firing in "at-will" states (which is all except Montana). It goes both directions though, there is no notice period when quitting. So chances are, if the OP is in the US, the boss was full of it.
  
  It can be unprofessional without being illegal.
  2 weeks notice is a pretty much universal standard when quitting. Layoffs usually gives with severance pay, so unless you pay severance to the employer when quitting, giving a courtesy of possible doesn't seem like a lot to ask.
- While this is very funny folks just be aware you can be sued for sabotage
- The key is to dip after changing the password on the vital database they decided one person was enough to manage ;)
  Pretty sure this kind of sabotage can expose one to legal consequences

We need to push for more protections like required notice and/or undermine at-will employment in various ways. I'm sick of corps having us over a barrel in every way.
- I live in the Netherlands which has much stronger workplace protections than USA (which I'm assuming this image is from). It's still normal and maybe required to give notice, usually 30 days, but they also can't fire you without cause and severance.
  Notices are logical from a business perspective, they just should be extended both ways.
  
  I also live in the Netherlands, and because I have worked at my current job quite long already, they have a notice-period of 4 months when they want to fire me, and I have 1 month notice-period when I want to quit.
  To be really honest, that is almost absurd for the employer.
  
  Yeah in the US it's common to just get told you're fired one day, or even just stop having shifts scheduled suddenly.
- At all employment is awful. It's so clearly one sided.
  The argument is you should be able to fire people wherever, but to fire on the spot should require strong cause.
  
  Meh. Requiring notice wouldn't change that. If they were that bad you'd just tell them to stay home for the notice period.
- I keep saying we want to be careful of that, though. At-will employment also means you are free to leave whenever. If you had to give a month's notice to some of these toxic AF work-places, it could feel like torture. Imagine if you're being personally harassed or bullied already, and now they have you over a barrel for another month. No, thank you. Imperfect though it may be, it's better for us in the long run, at least in the current climate.

We can fire you and sever you from your livelihood at any time, for any or no reason, with zero notice. You must give us two weeks notice to find your replacement before even slightly impacting our bottom line. Repat after me: we are a family.

"BTW sorry for my last text... But could you please write me a recommendation for my CV?"
- Years ago I received a promotion after just a month of starting and one dude started spreading rumors about me to get me fired, claiming he was more deserving of the position since he had been there longer. But he was only there because they were so short staffed that even someone such as himself who'd do a day's worth of work over the course of a week couldn't be fired without screwing up everybody else's schedules. I referred some friends and once they were hired he was out the door. Hit me up on LinkedIn about a month later asking for a reference. There are some serious clowns out there.

Ive bought a 'sorry for your loss' greeting card and write 'I quit ' on the inside and hand it to my superior before leaving when they asked for my notice in writing. I already had another job, I didn't need a reference and if I did I'd just have a friend lie for me. Fuck the bosses.
- They just need that for their records, so next time you should get one of those giant office sized birthday or sympathy cards which won't fit in any standard drawers. They can still scan it but it's annoying.
  If you're feeling especially grumpy, sign a bristol board with 3" tall letters, or novelty cheque sized document (you can spend $2 for the bristol board, or like $50 on novelty stationary).
  
  If it's cardboard or paper, they could just fold it. Use something they can't fold, like acrylic sheet or super brittle paper-like that would crumble or break if folded.
  What about using self-disappearing ink? LoL
- Except on that same piece of paper you also have to write down your telephone number for contact purposes

As someone that might or might not have engaged in that sort of bold move cotton exit strategies literally mirroring the behavior I had repeatedly received from my corporate overlords let me say that it feels good on the way up.
On the way up.

Lot of people didn't read the community title before commenting lol.
- You can be left without being an asshole
  You can also be right without being an asshole, but unfortunately you can't seem to vote for any decent right wing party that isn't packaged with bigotry these days.

o7

mood, can't wait to get out of my union busting workplace (still have 2.5 yrs of apprenticeship left 🙃)

lmao, but also maybe I've been lucky but I've never had a boss so bad I would do this to 'em. All of my job exits have been amicable and known about well in advance of my last day
- I had one bad one.
  I booked a vacation and took a photo of the schedule before leaving. During my vacation I got a call that I wasn't at my shift. They had changed the schedule while I was gone and after it was originally posted. I hated that job, so when they threatened to write me up I said I wasn't coming back.
  That place had horrible management, horrible employee retention, and yelled at employees regularly.
  
  Oof that sucks. I'm always paranoid that something like that will happen.

I would love to do this but I would rather not burn any bridges.

Kind reminder it's illegal to force labor in the United States.

What is this tankie slop doing on my feed

This reeks of r/antiwork cringe.
- And you reek of boot
  
  lol… so sayeth the kid on lemmy.

Then your next job calls this job to verify your employment, finds out you quit without notice, and withdraws the offer
Edit: I get that no one cares that what I'm saying is a real thing that happens in some companies. Just know that it is and tread carefully if you're thinking about quitting with no notice period
Edit: Also no, it is in no way illegal in the US for your previous employer to reveal a basic description of the terms of your separation to future/prospective employers
- You really think they offered a position without already doing that, if they were going to verify employment at all?
  
  Is this going to be their last job? Lots of employers verify the last 3 employers or last 5 years
- They gave notice.
  Depending on the contract or location, this is more than enough.
  Two weeks is often no more than a courtesy, and not a requirement. If the company fires you, they're unlikely to afford you that courtesy.
  
  But with layoffs sometimes they do give you advance notice. It all depends I guess.
- …why would you quit before having the offer in-hand and signed by both parties, which typically occurs after such checks are done?
- That's why you get a job before quitting the old one, lol
- In the United States, that would be illegal. The only information that a company is allowed to give is whether a person is employed or not. Anything else will open them up to legal troubles. So you're right that this conversation could take place, but it wouldn't, and if it did, the former employee can make bank in court for damages.
  E: turns out I was mistaken on this as it's what I've been told many times over. However, on a state to state basis, and specifically in my state, information shared is restricted to being work related. I think a nasty text isn't work related, but it could be said that there wasn't a notice given. IANAL, so ignore everything I wrote and don't spread as fact. Be better than me.
  
  This is false.
  Former employers can answer a narrow set of questions without opening themselves up to liability. Among them:
  dates of employment
  documented departure reason
  eligible for rehire
  status of non-competes
  I'm guessing somewhere between the departure reason and "no, we wouldn't rehire this person" the new employer might have some additional questions for the prospective employee.
  Some companies deserve to have you quit without notice, fuck 'em, but they are allowed to report some facts to other HR departments who ask.
  
  They're also allowed to say if they would re-hire you, which they almost certainly wouldn't after that text.
  
  Dude, you just made this up. Prove to me otherwise
  
  I mean it's also illegal to get fired for discussing wages with coworkers, but then you get "fired for poor performance/attitude." They don't have to say they did anything wrong. Same here, 2 managers "talking" aren't going to go out of their way to try to get the other in trouble. They'll be happy for the info and not say anything.
  
  Lol where did you pull this theory out of?
  
  They can make bank if they knew. The company can just take back their offer for any reason and they don't have to tell the incoming employee why they did that. You think an HR is going to tell you that they talked to your last employer? No
- Except that's not how this works if you were ever in a position to actually verify employment. Every company ever will specifically tell their employees to just confirm whether or not the person used to work there and that's it.
  Anything else opens the company up to a lawsuit for slander. The employee is already gone. No company is going to risk a lawsuit just to warn another company of a bad employee.
  
  The large hospital system I used to work for absolutely communicates termination status to other employers, one of those is "resignation without notice," and I knew 2 people who had job offers rescinded other places after verification
- Most jobs call to verify before they give your offer.
- When you get a good job, a good boss doesn't care about that shit.
  
  A good boss knows that this will impact the rest of the team, and in many cases require discussions about covering shifts, rehiring new people and rebuilding relationships.
- Don't list it in your previous jobs. Problem solved
  
  "What can you tell us about this hole in your resume"
- Thank you for attempting to bring facts to what looks to be a feelings party - people could literally end up homeless by following this pattern, e.g. if the new job fell through and the one after that checks both previous references, then all the old manager has to do is send that screenshot.
  Karma exists, and yes corporations are evil SOBs but that's no reason for us to be so likewise.
  And ofc it's a joke meme, but... is it tho? And anyway why downvote you even so? Now I too will accept those alongside you, and I suggest we treat it as a badge of honor at this point, I will hold fast to what is true regardless.