Texas Governor Greg Abbott declares that Texas law supercedes Federal authority and hints at secession

If Trump loses the 2024 election because Texas temporarily secedes, taking its 38 Republican electoral votes with it, I might die from the schadenfreude.

the nihilist in me really wants to see texas attempt this.

confederates === domestic terrorists. lets act accordingly.

Can we just acknowledge that this is unhinged? Biden has the strongest border policies ever implemented by a Democrat. This just shows that there is no compromise possible with these traitors. They will never admit you made a step in their direction, only demand more and more and more until you're just doing their bidding.

This is truly the way of extremists and terrorists, they demand the country be run to their preferences, democratic systems be damned.

I have yet to see this mentioned in any of these threads, at least the ones that I have read. If Texas secedes or tries to, Republicans lose 38 seats in the House of Representatives and two Senate seats. This give the House to Democrats for the foreseeable future and Democrats an easier path to passing bills in the Senate. Not that Texas, Abbott, cares.

Brexit was so successful, it's now time for Texit!

cut off all federal funding

let then secede

invade and retake them as a territory with no federal voting rights

make dc and puerto rico states

republicans never win again

These dumb fucks can't go a single winter or summer without their power grids going down and then begging for free money and help but they somehow thing they can be their own country? Fuck it, let em try and then they will find out that the Mexican cartels don't fuck around.

This Texan checked into it, and unfortunately we have no procedure for recalling our treasonous governor. At a minimum, he should be held in contempt of court and jailed. I would like to see a treason indictment.

The only issue I have with secession talk is there are lots of Texas citizens who aren't the problem. Every red state has people with common sense, they just don't have the ability at the moment to shut up the idiots. Plus secession at this point is ludicrous, leaving with your toys isn't how you fix problems. Oh wait, it's Republicans, they don't ever have solutions anymore anyway it's all a political game.

As a city Texan who lives in one of the most military-friendly and full cities in the state, I say I’d like to see you try greggy.

I don’t think Republican leadership is going to like losing 40 electoral votes.

GM: "Well, you can certainly try."

How do 1%ers hear this and not immediately pull campaign funding, what would a civil war do to the US economy. When a nation with the most guns in the world has people starving what do they think is gonna happen. I guess they are counting on being kings in the aftermath or that Jesus will come back or something.

Do it, you chicken shit piss baby

Obviously he'll flip into "federal authority is absolute" against states like California if a Republican (read: Trump) is president.

So what about Texas invading other states by bussing migrants there?

if they secede we'll have to update all the flags. what a pain. maybe we could just add in puerto rico really quick

Abbott is unfit to hold office.

Do it pussy

If it means Ted Cruz will be forced to fuck off, don’t keep us waiting.

This walking corpse needs to be slapped back to reality. Secession talk should get you fucked into the ground.

Traitor scum.

Hmmm... 🤔

"states have a right of self-defense, under Article 4, Section 4 and Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution."

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/full-text

Article 4, Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

I don't see a) anything there that defines "invasion" or b) grants the states the power to act if the United States chooses not to.

Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3:

"Section 10: Powers Denied to the States

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Again, "invaded".

It's pretty clear from section 10, since it's also speaking of troops, ships of war, and engaging in war that it means MILITARY invasion, not an influx of citizen refugees.

Dictionaries at the time back up that reading:

https://mises.org/wire/what-did-founders-mean-invasion

If Texas has complete control and final authority over their majority portion of the southern border, shouldn't they be the ones are responsible for spending the resources for securing it as well as being accountable for the humanitarian disaster?

The Republicans want it both ways: They want to blame the President and federal government for the situation at the border (but only when it's the Democrats in office and never when they are, of course), and at the exact same time they want to claim total authority over border policy on the state level. On top of that, they love to pull political stunts wrt the border every election year, but when it comes to actually passing an immigration bill, they'll tank it because Trump doesn't want to let Biden have yet another win.

Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Fucking pick one you disingenuous scumbag clowns.

Biden should call them the fuck out. Immediately withdraw all federal funding, including anything paid for by the government like power plants and highways. Let them suffer until they're willing to play nice with the rest of us.

He is wrong. But also imagine what that looks like. You think people in the UK regret brexit? Hahaha I hope Texas can grow all their own food.

Abbott is so full of shit. Texas isn’t succeeding from anything.

For a party that claims to love and respect the US Constitution, being filled to gills with "constitutional orginalists," I don't think any Republican has ever actually read the document. If they had even glanced over it, they would have looked at Article 6, Paragraph 2 also known as the "Federal Supremacy Clause." It's meaning is that law at the Federal level supercedes State laws and even state constitutions. The "Founding Fathers" intended for the Federal government to hold supremacy over the state governments... now it isn't written in plain English, but it is plain enough. Further, the end of our Civil War the court case Texas v White made it plain as day legally that no State may leave the union. Again, the party of "law and order" comes in clutch with that misunderstanding of what those words mean.

All that being said, succession isn't actually that popular (even in Texas). There would likely be a mass revolt against it in any state attempting it. Further, even a play at attempting it would be a political death sentence (as well as, perhaps, a literal one). Any insurrection against the federal government, even by a collection of contiguous states, would face a similar challenge the capitalists/monarchists (or Whites) of the Russian Civil War faced. The major population centers wouldn't recognize the authority of those in revolt and all they'd be left with would be the hinterlands and rural towns. Which is not a great position to be in strategically (again, see: the outcome of the Russian Civil War).

This is all not to mention, while States have their own National Guards, the insurrectionists would have to convince those troops to fire on troops who are wearing the same uniform. You'd have to convince their officers to break their oath to uphold both US law and face a possible death sentence if captured. I don't know Abbott's relationship with his National Guardsmen, but I highly doubt many officers will go in with him in this piece of political theater.

I don't fucking get this. Abbot literally ships illegal immigrants by the bus load into the country free of charge, how is he not a fundamental cog in the illegal immigration machine?

The great Texas economy won't fair to well when trade tariffs kick in and they stop benefiting from all the trade deals the US has.

Someone should tell these guys it's not 1861 anymore. They might find themselves on the business end of a hellfire missile if they keep running their yaps with impunity or take actionable steps towards actually seceding. Also known in modern vernacular as "Fuck around and find out".

biden should call the bluff and ask the house and senate to release texas from the union under the condition it compensates the US for any federal land and supplies.

No. Please. Don't. Go.

Oh well.

So all federal money cut off.

But wait, doesn't Texas pay more than they received?

Yes, but let's really look at this. Military and veterans don't get paid. Oil confiscated by the Navy stationed on both the East and West coast. Any company with a federal account closes down bc Texas doesn't pay the same. Massive border to protect against a reunification force.

I think they change their mind in a split second.

Can I apply for refugee status and move to a state not run by this sociopath?

Texas is a drag on our society. I say say cut em loose.

Hypothetical from a non American. Let's say Texas DOES secede. What happens to the citizenship of the Americans in Texas? Do they lose it? Do they have to leave Texas in X days to keep it? Can it even be revoked? Should it?

If they kept it, would they need to still declare their taxes, as US citizens must pay tax on international income?

Cool, let’s pull back their federal funding and see how things go

This guy, these people, are so thick headed.

The court ruled that the border patrol officers have the constitutional authority to move some razor wire in some areas (this case mentions 2.5 miles) because it's in their way of apprehending people trying to get over the boarder - actually, people who have already set foot on US soil.

This is going to turn into some big thing because Abbot would rather let immigrants die in the river than permit border patrol to capture them.

There's way too many people in here that either don't know the difference between succession and secession, or don't know how to spell, or just were too lazy to look at what they were typing or what was being autocorrected.

Can the people of Texas recall their governor? Has to be a lot of them unhappy with this clown.

Again? Texas does this almost every election cycle and they aren't dumb enough to try it. Or maybe they are. That'd be a show.

I’m not suggesting that someone should disable the brakes on his wheelchair and then roll him into the street, but were he to be rolled into the street with no brakes, I wouldn’t be surprised.

Old guy who is only getting older wants to dictate so that he has some sort of legacy.

I want to say it'll never happen, but they may not be so good at paying attention to prevailing trends. If Texit happens I'll be watching with a big bowl of popcorn.

Willy Wonka: Stop. Don't. Come back.

How's Trump's electoral math work out without Texas in the union?

Dog whistle to his supporters, that's all.

If they actually tried anything they'd be snuffed out pretty fast.

Tx threatens secession every other day. why does he wear boots. js

Go for it, Abbott. Let's see your beloved Texas Rangers go up against satellite-guided drone bombers.

They know federal law supercedes state law, right?

Do it. Go on.

Please, try it. I dare you, Abbott.

Let them go and remove their risk from the power grid.

Texit

I ducked into Texit Twitter yesterday and it's like an Alamo cosplay, an entirely fictional version of events is everywhere where there's somehow a 10th Amendment right to secede and Abbott is proving state supremecy by not complying with some deadline the federal government gave them to comply with the Supreme Court order. As if it was Iraq not abiding by Bush's demands and thus initiating war instead of the obvious actual situation where they are going to be sued again.

The south is stupidly rising again

I got $400 on Cartels blowing them the fuck away.

He's about to go full Sovcit

Inciting an insurrection…

I don't want Texas to secede, they would be a shitty ass neighbor.

I knew we were teasing World War III but I didn't think it would start with a Civil War.

I hope someone steals his wheelchair.

LOL.

Hints at moving entire state to Mars.

This guy is all talk, while sucking on the feds tit.

Man, Texas sure does blow

Personally, I hope they successfully secede, then get taken over by Mexico. #maketexasmexicoagain

Last time they tried this we fought a whole ass war over it. I highly doubt that it'll go nearly as swimmingly lol.

Another afflicted with magabrain.

He looks like he's on a game show, bright colours behind him and everything.

The way his mouth is open almost looks cartoonish

It's an unlikely threat. Texas has the second highest number of electors (California has the most) that vote in the electoral college. Furthermore, the senate and house lose two representatives each. That means a Republican presidential candidate is going to have a hard time getting elected.

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Sounds good, we’ll take them back after the 2024 election.

Do it wuss

What a fucking idiot

Ah it's fine, we know they'll be totally fine on their own. I mean, they have their own totally reliable, independent electric grid, right?

Stop...

Please...

Don't go...

This is what happens with legal positivism and going off the gold standard.

Everyone is a prophet.

Oh, please, please!!

Texas: proceeds to get messed with

Bye Felicia

Can't wait for "The second American civil war - Oversimplified'". Coming soon.

Texas in succession would not look unlike the West Bank before October of last year.

From Brexit to Texit

Shit or get off the pot.

These guys obviously didn't learn anything from the Alamo.

Well... Bye.

Wish the tree has finished the job and killed the evil fuck.

Texas? Receding?

Ahhhhh! Noooo!

Anyway.

Here we go

Good riddance, fucktard.

Nice to see it's business as usual in USA. /s

doesn't look like a steer

Imagine Lady Liberty in an ice-blue dress, singing "Let them go, let them go..."

Sounds good to me.

If he only had enough dick and balls in his pants to pull this through.

Good luck. Remember what happened last time?

Simpson’s predicted this.

@autotldr@lemmings.world

Isn't Texas a democratic state? Like you'd have to have a vote to do something like that right?

This rules, critical support to the shithole of Texas in its war on America

If you guys claim that you're a country that respects freedoms and democrasy, you must listen to what Texas wishes. If they want to break off from the US, so be it. It'll be their choice that to be respected. They aren't happy with Biden and the US as a whole -- it's also their opinion and you're to respect it too. Wouldn't it be a democratic decision?

You can't have it both ways: blame other countries for the ways they handle internal matters, yell "suppression of freedom! one must respect democrasy!", yet suppress the opinions and thus freedom of your people in Texas.

The United States is too big and needs to fail. And I say this as the United States citizen, I would like to see it broken up into smaller independent countries. With less military so that we can stay the fuck out of other people's business.

If US sends weapons to Taiwan pretending that it's for democrasy and freedoms of the island, China now must being to send weapons to the people of Texas for the same reason. People of Texas excerise nothing other than their constituional freedom of speach and self-determination.

Look at how they're sick of Biden's bloody regime, his nature of a dictator, that they want to break down from the US. Let's help the people of Texas, let's protect democrasy in Texas!