What are some conspiracy theories you absolutely believe to be true?
Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
Industries are making bad products on purpose to weed out consumers with standards, therefore breeding a crop of consumers that exist only to give their money to them if they ask.
That’s just unregulated capitalism.
This is like the physical product version of the Nigerian prince scam - have something so shit that the only people who engage with you are idiots.
Can you clarify a bit?
Do you mean that they are trying to identify, corral, and market heavily to these low-standards consumers so as not to waste their time with the rest (analogous to email scams)?
Or more that they are progressively beating down our collective level of standard so as to make the cheap crap more broadly palatable?
I don't necessarily disagree with either, but they are pretty different, so just curious which direction you are going.
Is it a conspiracy theory if it's damn near verifiably true?
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
It's insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn't a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn't say out loud to fight the "red menace."
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the "leftists" and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don't think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Fun new things keep coming out.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don't care, which is the most fucked up part
That doesn't make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn't have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?
Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.
Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like "culture wars") are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.
You don't need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It's all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.
I'm not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.
I'm saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they're involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.
It's interesting that the big "revelations" of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:
Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.
The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.
Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.
So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women's health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean... yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).
I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.
I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.
This really isn't a conspiracy, it's pretty much just fact. The Mueller report was damning in showing the trump Russia connection. If we had sane bribery laws and a doj willing to prosecute it'd be a slam dunk. (Our bribery laws practically require an elected official while exercising their elected power to say "I'm doing this because of a sweet bribe". Nothing less qualifies). Literally half of it was dedicated to Trump Russian connections.
The Senate intelligence report on Russian election interference confirmed the Mueller report, that the Russians were working to get trump into office.
For Trump it's not so much dirt but he got a lot funding after he was a disgraced business man in the 90s that hasn't been sourced. I always thought he got it from Russia leading towards his allegiance to them.
Russia hacked RNC and DNC servers and released only the interesting stuff from the Democrats' servers. Never heard a peep of what they found on the RNC side but you can be certain it was way more shady than the little bit that came out about Democrats.
I think it's that information plus probably longstanding financial ties to Russian donors that keeps many Republicans under Russian influence.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
Just like we have audio evidence that Russia shot down that plane back in 2014
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and it happened again, and again, and again. russians get broke/angry -> manufacture crisis -> blame the outsider -> invade them -> putin remains a master strategist
We're really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.
I agree with the first point. Using our human bodies as an example when we get infected. It gets really warm. It's usually a technique used to kill bacteria among other defenses.
I don't personally believe it's some kind of "I got my peace for a brief moment and want more" thing. I just believe that we ramped up production after the COVID "recovery" period and we went back to business as usual at a rapid rate.
Brief search - we're fucking with homeostasis?
Absolutely true, although imo not necessarily as a conscious choice. It's simply earth's feedback systems. We cram all kinds of animals together and accidentally breed highly contagious viruses, which come back to bite us in the ass. We destroy biodiversity and now people in certain parts of the world have to manually pollinate crops, because the insects all died. Etc.
If all goes well, earth will find a balance again that still favours life (possibly not human life). If not, earth might end up like Venus. Not a big deal for earth, but a bit of shame of all this life we currently see here.
I get where you're coming from, but rather than the "earth trying to kill us", we are causing the earth to kill us through our own selfishness, willful ignorance and greed.
Haliburton and Raytheon. Cheney and Rumsfield.
Man I wish we still tarred and featherd people. If anyone ever deserved it it's those two. Bush was just a useful idiot chosen because he was "a guy you could drink a beer with at a bar."
Iraq having WMD was an intentional lie and you'll pretty much never convince me otherwise (unless there's irrefutable evidence of course lol)
Did we buy much oil from Iraq?
I don't even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.
I agree! I keep saying the same thing. I think he was allowed to kill himself. They put him on suicide watch as a suggestion to him. That way their hands are washed of him by his own hand.
Even if you ignore the rich and powerful, it still makes sense.
If you were the security officer at a facility that was holding a man who trafficked and molested dozens if not hundreds of children, you would probably strongly consider "accidentally" leaving his gate unlocked or taking away any suicide prevention measures.
Agreed! The broken bone in his neck is fairly common for hanging, especially when the person is older. I believe the real conspiracy is that they let him do it not that they did it to him.
All that Q shit is real. There’s a pizza shop basement somewhere in the DC area where republicans are raping kids & doing all that other weird shit.
Except the pizza shop is a church.
Lmao
Every accusation a projection, but fuck that's dark and specific.
Why would they go there when they can get delivery?
It's not delivery it's d'neighborskid.
I'll leave now.
damn bruh
At first I thought you meant you are a Q supporter than I realized you're saying every accusation is an addition of guilt.
Its like those staunch anti LGBTQ+ Republicans who get caught with a "wide stance" at the local M4M glory hole
Wasn't the story that the Democrats were doing it, or are you saying those that do, accuse others?
I think it's more a case that every other thing they've accused the Democrats of, at some point in history ends up being true for Republicans of one sort or another. This is the only accusation that so far hasn't appeared to be a projection, I think the poster suspects that it is, we just haven't found it yet.
Bingo.
John McAfee is still alive
I'd like to believe that only his malware legacy remains alive.
It actually was a weather balloon
Context?
The Chinese spy balloon from several weeks ago. I believe this one. Why would China send such a big, obvious thing to "spy"? They've got better ways.
That our entire existence and the world we live in -our so called reality- is being manipulated in every corner. Whether its historical, economical, entertainment wise, food, you name it.
That honestly sounds like clinical paranoid delusions. I have a couple of bipolar friends who think this way.
my brother too. absolutely everything is part of an "agenda".
including the fact the stars are fake and we live in a concave planet. for reasons he can't articulate
That's very broad. Do you mean by some force outside our universe, or actors inside, possibly on earth?
If you mean this is being done by people I don't think human people are nearly smart enough to do this without fucking up constantly and blowing their cover.
I believe the NRA is involved in money laundering for the Russian mob and Trump ran for office to do the same thing, launder money through donations and by paying for advertising for donations with dirty money and getting clean clean donations back.
I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it's aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.
It's always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.
I think it's bogus and they're using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war
100% it's bogus. They aren't using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.
some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes
It's the intersecting lasers making plasma thing they were working on, all the same physical properties and it's probably what they were testing at that exercise where the tictac was filmed.
My guess is it half works but it impractical so they're doing this poor cover up attempt to make China think it does work so they'll invest r&d into it and waste resources, they used to do that to Russia all the time
The US actually makes terrorists, and by extension refugees. If 9/11 wasn't directly an inside job they probably let it happen or created the motive for the people involved.
Australia found an SAS soldier guilty of war crimes and were on video perpetuating a really nasty culture that almost certainly creates martyrs and needlessly extended our time in Afghanistan.
The SAS war crimes rabbithole is really depressing. It's almost an open secret at this point.
A small part of me (not fully) thinks that COVID was a biological weapon that got out of hand from some pseudo dictator, there's too many of them and they aren't that bright/care to measure the consequences.
Came from a lab? Possible. But it doesn't really have the hallmarks of a bioweapon. It spreads way too rapidly. There's no functional antidote/vaccine/treatment. There's no preventives. It mutates waaaay too quickly. All things that remove control from the users. If you're going to bio-bomb a population, you definitely don't want major blowback.
I actually read a pretty funny theory that claimed it was a bioweapon designed to function like a naturally occurring disease.
The basis of the argument was that it was used to rapidly disrupt the global market which would cause many large international corporations' stock value to drop, allowing China to buy out ownership of direct competitors or expand control for cheap.
In that sense, it would have been a perfect bioweapon because it absolves China of having manufactured it in a lab, and its rapid spread but low mortality did have the disruption effect that China wanted.
tbh though I'm still convinced it was just SARS's cousin that probably mutated in a bat lol
chemical and biological weapons aren't useful for modern military and this is the reason these were banned, not any ethical constraints https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/
Sounds feasible. What was the purpose of the wuhan lab again? It could clearly be a facade for bio weapon research
QAnon was made up by Trumps entourage to deflect the accusations against him.
Nah the Trump fanbois would gladly do that work for free. They're pretty communist like that
Yes, this is it. Most likely it was the South African guy who first said that someone had hijacked Q's account that started it. He couldn't admit he was behind the account or he'd expose and embarrass himself when CodeMonkey (Ron Watkins) took it from him. Then the Watkinses were behind it from then on.
The QAnon docu-series on HBO did an excellent job of showing that this is likely what happened. I'm super interested in that loony movement (as a spectator and worrier) and yet it still presented all kinds of details and info that I hadn't known. Also, Will Sommer, author of * Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America* and the hosts of the QAnon Anonymous podcast (also spectator and worriers) think this is the most likely answer and they collectively know more than almost anyone about the subject.
In the end, it was sort of an accident that it got so big and they just lucked into it.
There is a huge hairy intelligent creature that roams the forests of North America. The government is aware of it's existence.
That's my uncle Charlie. Don't mind him.
leave Ben Kissil alone!
I saw a large barefoot hobo footprint on the snow in my lawn once.
It doesn't have a name, not like an actual birth name but like a species?
Steve
A secret service agent fired the kill shot at JFK when he fell forward in a moving vehicle.
What's the significance of falling forward in a moving vehicle?
An argument to convince people whose physics knowledge stops before Galileo?
He forgot to mention that the theory is that it happened on accident. Thus he fell forward, causing him to misfire
As in accidental discharge when losing balance.
I take it further in my belief that it was entirely accidental.
Imagine being the guy that has to carry the fact that they accidentally killed the youngest president in US history
Watch a 2 part video about his assassination, this theory is complete bs
Oswald shot JFK ... but he was aiming for John Connally, against whom he had a grudge because he believed Connally had blocked Oswald's request to have his dishonorable discharge expunged after he returned from the Soviet Union.
Non-human intelligence has been around on earth for a very long time and the government knows a lot more about them than they would have us believe
Recently been seeing few American military and govt personnel coming out providing testimony against higher level of secrecy within the system. Is that actually stirring anything
Mark Zuckerberg a Lizard King
The Italian aliens.
Italians are aliens?!?
🤌Italien🤌
So many UFO landed there. Coincidence?
Is this the pancake story?
That trump is carefully placed and chosen distraction. He was allowed to run as republican so that they could use him as a screen to hide their real plans.
I can't honestly say I really believe it, not when the rest of it is thrown in, but that part I kinda, sorta think has merit.
The rest of the crazy is that he's not only a plant, but that the ties to Russia, the convenient invasion of Ukraine, and the sudden leap to the proxy war going on their now (rather than when Russia first started fucking around there years ago) is all part of a plan by the military industrial complex to rise to cold war era riches again, with a long laundry list of companies like Halliburton.
This is not a conspiracy theory I've seen on the internet (not yet anyway). It's one I've heard floating around at the shooting range I use that's lgbtq+ friendly. Which only matters because that's why I never expected to hear a conspiracy theory there of all places. I mean, a shooting range that's almost exclusively used by people a bit further left than Bernie Sanders and the local pink pistols group, and a local lgbtq+ shooting group unaffiliated with the pink pistols.
Like, people don't even discuss politics other than gun politics there usually. But the last three or four times I've been this year, there's a little clique that's been talking about it. I know them, and the is the first I've ever heard them get into this kind of thinking.
But that's the least bullshit "conspiracy" that I've heard that wasn't more of just a secret. Like, mk ultra shit where it isn't really a conspiracy, it was classified, and there's a difference between them.
Kinda related to this, but we know prior to the 2016 Russia hacked the DNC emails and only really released info about them talking shit on/working against Bernie (potentially the most damaging info/most helpful to get Trump elected).
We also know that they hacked the RNC, but didnt release any info from it. And we also know the NRA was receiving Russian funds and then donating to Trump and other Republicans.
So it isnt far fetched to believe that between the carrot of campaign donations and the stick of leaking sensitive RNC emails Russia was attempting to force the RNC to force a potential Russian asset in power to cripple/break up NATO to continue Russia’s expansion into Western Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.
Imagine the lack of support given the invasion of Ukraine if Trump were president. If anything Trump would jump on recognizing the gains as Russian territory.
I honestly believed trump was a democrat plant to guarantee Hillary one.
They're going to reveal the whole trump presidency was fake any minute now.
Right guys? Please?
I maintain that his initial announcement of his candidacy was more a publicity stunt than anything else.
Then he realized he could actually win
9/11 was a huge conspiracy and one of the easiest to see through in my opinion.
I don't see the US government perpetrating the attack. I could see the US government getting good evidence it was going to happen, and just... letting it happen.
The former requires a whole bunch of people involved that would need to keep their mouth shut about the things they did. The latter can be completed by simply not doing anything (someone in charge saying someone else will look into it, treat it like a hoax, or just file it somewhere and otherwise do nothing). If they wanted some major attack to go through, a couple loyal (to the agency) sociopaths people already used to working in highly confidential operations could drop some suggestions and assistance into a terrorist cell and then sit back. It's possible and knowing what we know about the government is not outside the realm of reason. Still, with no evidence of it, it is purely speculation, and believing it is an enormous leap from it being treated as a thought exercise.
The conspiracy theories that involve a bunch of workers installing explosives through the towers, etc, are unnecessarily complicated and implausible.
I can't prove it, but all this road contruction is a front, a con for money laundering.
Most if not all of the privacy related services (VPNs, Tor, etc) are compromised. On the plus side, I think that pirating media with those services is completely safe.
I belive there are aliens hidden in Area 51 and there is a secret tunnel network across the US that let's these aliens move without being seen.
a next level civilization moved here and lives in the ocean doing their thang. and we have to use super fancy machines to even notice them.
Seed oilz baaaad!
The Spanish former King (Juan Carlos I de Borbón) was behind 23F, the attempted coup d'etat during 1981.
Let's say 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. If I disbelieve all of them I'll be 19/20 = 95% correct.
If I believe in one of them there is a 1/20 chance I'll pick the right one and be 100% correct and 19/20 chance I'll pick the wrong one and have two incorrect beliefs (one false positive and one false negative). 1/20100+19/2090 = 90.5% correct.
Feel free to correct my not even a napkin math. Or challenge the assumption that only 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. Or just agree and outsource the effort of thinking to someone trying to compensate lack of sleep with egregious amounts of caffeine.
No plane hit Tower 7
I remember the first time i heard a right wing person tell me about Qanon. She was really believing it. I was speechless when she got done.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
It was actually Sonic
9/11
We're either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we're fucked.
I believe money is used to replace God so a select few can have unlimited access to the "source". A false "god" is then permitted to be pushed on the people for further oppression.
But regular god is also used to push oppression.
See:
People putting their faith in anything they don't control inevitably leads to this.
Instead of a golden calf, it's a bronze bull.