Privacy @lemmy.ml The Alchemist @lemmy.ml 1 yr. ago

Any way to listen to music (privately?)

I'm going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I'm on iOS, and I don't know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU's DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I've discovered so many great apps and tools I didn't even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it's still not perfect, I've been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I'm still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I'm using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can't have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I'm so far loving Lemmy ;)

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I'll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)

There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.
Yeah. Buy it directly from the artist then throw it all into a self hosted service like plex or jellyfin.
I use a jellyfin server plus finamp for ios plus totally legal downloaded music that was 100% legally obtained.
Do people not just download music anymore?
I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.
I don't think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device
Yarrr harrr didgeridoo
Have you considered Funk Whale, the Spotify of the Fediverse?

https://funkwhale.audio/
Self-host your library? I don't know why that seems so hard, going by your phrasing.

If you absolutely must listen to music online (I empathise, I need to do so to find new music), here's what I do: Librewolf with Ublock Origin, Cookie Manager, Dark Reader, NoScript + music.youtube.com.

No advertisements, minimal tracking (because you will explicitly disable every other script than the one(s) required to stream music). Use a VPN and fake your user-agent/browser fingerprint for more privacy (haven't done it since I can't figure out how to do so for Firefox).

Cheers
If you want something on Android, check out ViMusic. It uses YouTube Music as a back-end and can recommend stuff based on what you listen. It also supports offline playback. On desktop, you can use Hyperpipe. It also uses YouTube Music as its back-end.

If you want ultimate privacy, then download your favorite songs and use VLC or self host them and stream it from there.
I download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.

I don't know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I'm on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.

Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.
You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the “AI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’d‘ve never searched for.
an MP3 player like foobar2000 ...?
Classic iPod or mp3 player? Also, the “Music” app on iOS still works like iTunes. You can load albums directly from your computer, even without an Apple Music subscription. Or you could get a Walkman.
I'm using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the "big players" like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.
If anyone is interested, i recently developed my own system of defining my music library declaratively in the Nix programming language and started switching to it. It creates folders as playlists and can automatically download the music from YouTube or SoundCloud. I plan to expand and improve this further.

I doubt this will work on IOS tho, sorry OP.

https://codeberg.org/quantenzitrone/declarative-music.nix
Local with Plex and Plex amp was my best experience. It’s really well done.
If you don't want to go local or want a streaming service : qobuz is the less shitty of all options regarding privacy.
Have a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS
Setup your own subsonic or ampache server. nextcloud has an app for that.
Jellyfin.
Setup a Koel instance at a host of your choice. Upload your music to it and stream from that. See https://koel.dev/
If you want a streaming service, you could try HyperPipe. It's an alternative frontend to YT Music. There's also BeatBump, but it doesn't really work.

If you wanted to go local (which I recommend), have you tried foobar2000? It's proprietary, but I trust it and it does its job very well. No ads, no data collection at all, and it plays just about every audio format you'll normally come across (apart from MIDI files). You can also customise it with skins, sync over FTP, and play internet radio streams.
For Android- Blackhole | web - beatbumb and hyperpipe
MP3 files that you own. They can never take them away from you, and you don't have to pay every month for them.
I self host Ampache and have Sublime Music on my desktop and Substreamer on my Android device.
I built an OpenMediaVault NAS and run a JellyFin server on it.. connect with wireguard and stream music with Symfonium I've decided to download on the web.. it's a little work to get there but it's def private as long as you trust the devs. I'd also recommend vimusic for music discovery and web playing.
tried to go local but the apps are shitty

die-hard poweramp fan here but idk if it also exists for ios
Gotta pirate it unfortunately. Buy it on band camp and support the artists directly, then host it yourself. Navidrone works great.
Guess I'll be the one to ask. Why do you want music privacy?
You know you can use the Apple Music app for local files right?
I buy music from 7Digital and Bandcamp, store the files on Plex Media Server and use PlexAmp for playback on my iOS device.
If you're able and willing to self-host, I've developed a pretty great system that automates my entire process. The app I'm using on mobile is also available on iOS

https://zemmy.cc/post/25500
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Pirate the music and find a FOSS music player for ios
Android has a fair few foss music apps.
ViMusic
VLC for iOS?
Resonate is really nice. There aren't that many artists yet tho...
What kind of psychopath uses Amazon music? Like I'm already appaled people would use apple music, Amazon music just seems mental....
It's pretty pricey but I enjoy MusicFab
Jailbreak your iPhone if you can or use AltStore or Trollstore is avalable on your device to sideload Spotify++ which allows you to have Spotify Premium for free, tho you can’t download songs sadly. Then, sign up for an account using an email from 10minutemail.net and you are done. Or just use VLC with downloaded songs.
Nicotine+ and Plexamp
DeezLoader to download via Deezer api then upload to Astiga to listen on all devices.
Is there something wrong with mp3s?

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