Do any of you have that one service that just breaks constantly? I'd love to love Nextcloud, but it sure makes that difficult at times

No if I have to keep fixing it , it is not worth my time.

I installed owncloud years ago and came to the same conclusion and just got rid of it. I use syncthing nowadays though its not the same thing.

I dunno what you guys are doing that makes your nextcloud die without touching it. Mine runs happily until I decide to update it, and that usually goes fine, too. I don't use docker for it, tho.

In my own personal experience, Nextcloud;

• Needs constant attention to prevent falling over
• Administration is a mess
• Takes far too long to get used to its 'little ways'
• Basics like E2EE don't work
• Sync works when it feels like it
• Updating feels like russian roulette

Am i the only one left who doesn't want a snap docker Kubernetes container and just installs nextcloud in a normal way and never had any problems?

This has been a serious concern of mine. In the event that I prematurely die I have everything set up with automatic updates, so that hopefully my family can continue to use the self-hosted services without me.

Nextcloud will not stop shitting the bed. I'd give it a few months at most if I died, at which point my family would likely turn back to Google Drive.

I'm looking for a more reliable alternative, even if it's not as feature-rich.

I run it and mariaDB in docker and they run perfectly when left alone, but everything breaks horribly if I try to do an update. I recently figured out that you need to do updates for NC in steps, and docker (unRAID’s, specifically) defaults to jumping to the latest version. I think I figured out how to specify version now so fingers crossed I won’t destroy it the next time I do updates.

None. I don't make a habit of keeping "misbehaving" apps around. If I can't get to the bottom of a specific issue that app is getting the boot from my stable.

Only complaints I have with Nextcloud are that it's slow and updates suck over the web interface. But apart from that it has been reliable. I'm not running it through Docker. In fact, my installation is so old that the database tables still have an oc_ prefix.

When I first deployed Nextcloud, it was just like this. Random crashes, lockups, weird user signin issues, slow and clunky.

But one day it just started working and was super stable. I didn't do anything, still not sure what fixed it lol.

I've been running nextcloud since before it was nextcloud. Was owncloud then moved to next cloud.

Another user put it best. It always feels 75% complete. Sync isn't fast, gives errors that self correct when restarting the all. Most plugins are even more janky or feel super barren.

I wanted to like it so much but I stopped being able to trust most plugins which meant I had dedicated apps for those things and used nextcloud only for file sync.

If you only want file sync then seafile is vastly superior so that's what I now have.

I really don't understand all those posts: I use nginx, apparmor, partially even modsecurity, I use collabora office official debian package, face recognition, email, update regularly (waiting for major upgrades for every app I use to be updated), etc. and literally never had a problem in the last 5 years except for my own experiment. True, only 5 people use my instance, but Nextcloud is rock solid for me

I have nextcloud running since nearly 5 years and it never failed once. Only dowtime is when the backup fails and somehow maintenance mode is still enabled (technically not a crash)

For those interested: Running in docker with mariadb in a stack, checking updates with watchtower everyday and pulling from stable, backups with borg(matic)

Installed Nextcloud-AIO using the docker script, took about 4 - 5 terminal commands. Practically zero issues! Hopefully someone else can provide some help in the thread!

Always works great for me.

I just run it (behind haproxy on a separate public host) in docker compose w/ a redis container and a hosted postgres instance.

Automatically upgrade minor versions daily by pulling new images. Manually upgrade major versions by updating the compose file.

Literally never had a problem in 4 years.

This is ultimately why I ditched Nextcloud. I had it set up, as recommended, docker, mariadb, yadda yadda. And I swear, if I farted near the server Nextcloud would shit the bed.

I know some people have a rock solid experience, and that’s great, but as with everything, ymmv. For me Nextcloud is not worth the effort.

Nextcloud has been super solid for me using the official docker image.

The problem child for me right now is a game built in node.js that I'm trying to host/fix. It's lagging at random with very little reason, crashing in new and interesting ways every day, and resisting almost all attempts at instrumentation & debugging. To the point most things in DevTools just lock it up full stop. And it's not compatible with most APMs because most of the traffic occurs over websockets. (I had Datadog working, but all it was saying was most of the CPU time is being spent on garbage collection at the time things go wonky--couldn't get it narrowed down, and I've tried many different GC settings that ultimately didn't help)

I haven't had any major problems with Nextcloud lately, despite the fragile way in which I've installed it at work (Nextcloud and MariaDB both in Kubernetes). It occasionally gets stuck in maintenance mode after an update, because I'm not giving it enough time to run the update and it restarts the container and I haven't given enough thought to what it'd take to increase that time. That's about it. Early on I did have a little trouble maintaining it because of some problems with the storage, or the database container deciding to start over and wipe the volume, but nothing my backups couldn't handle.

I have a hell of a time getting the email to stay working, but that's not necessarily a Nextcloud problem, that's a Microsoft being weird about email problem (according to them it is time to let go of ancient apps that cannot handle oauth2--Nextcloud emailer doesn't support this, same with several other applications we're running, so we have to do some weird email proxy stuff)

I am not surprised to hear some of the stories in this thread, though. Nextcloud's doing a lot of stuff. Lots of failure points.

Never had a single functional problem with Nextcloud, other than the fact that it's oppressively slow with the amount of files I've shoved into it. Mind you I also don't use MySQL/MariaDB which I consider a garbage-tier DB. Despite Postgres not being the "Recommended DB" for Nextcloud it works perfectly for me. Maybe that's the difference.

For years, I had an unstable unraid server. I was fixing it every couple of days after a lockup. I had decided that unraid sucked. When it was up for a week I celebrated. Every one of my dockers was a suspect. I learned to hate all of them.

Then I shitcanned the next cloud docker.

Been up for months without a hiccup.

The new Linuxserver.io docker image at the very least has solved the annoying update cycle NextCloud has and seems to have fixed the need to do that every few months. I haven't ever had it die but I don't push it hard and I keep the plugins to a minimum because I just don't trust it and it doesn't run all that well.

I've setup Nextcloud but have done next to nothing with it.

My Lemmy instance gives me the most problems, but it's also the only publicly available service I run. Mostly the issue is it seems to have a memory leak that forces me to restart it every few days.

Everything else has been completely rock solid for me, running on a mini pc (formerly a pi4 until I wanted to start doing stuff with Jellyfin and needed more power for transcoding) on OpenSUSE Leap all in docker containers. Makes it insanely easy to move stuff. I had no issues basically just copying the docker-compose files and data and bringing them up even when switching architectures.

I've just finally and fully spun down a proxmox server I've been running and updating as my home lab for six years.

Every major update seemed to break something. Upgrades were always a roll of the dice as to whether it would even boot. It's probably at least partially my fault for using an old R710 and running docker directly on the OS instead of within a container, but it was still by far my least reliable piece of kit.

The last apt update removed sudo, and I can't be arsed to rebuild, so I've moved the critical bits to a fleet of SBCs. Powering that fucker down was a huge relief.

The only device running Snap in my house is a Raspberry Pi running the Snap Nextcloud and it's rock solid.

This might be a deployment issue. How are most people running it?

Dude- it's like you're reading my mind. I've installed Nextcloud 4 different times, the most recent being on docker desktop in Win11. I've resorted to using chatgpt to help me with the commands. LITERALLY EVERY STEP RESULTS IN AN ERROR. The Collabora office suite (necessary to view or edit cloud docs without downloading them) WILL NOT DOWNLOAD. The "php -d memory_limit=512M occ app:install richdocumentscode" chatgpt and Nextcloud suggest is not recognized by the terminal. You can't just download Collabora, cuz fuck you, i guess, and you can't access Docker's actual file system from windows explorer.

I've typed nonsense into various black screens for upward of 20 hours now, and nextcloud is "working" locally. I can access my giant hard drive from my android nextcloud app, but it's SLOW AS FUCK.

I can't imagine how many man-hours it would take to open the server to the internet. Makes me want to fucking barf just thinking about it.

I've been fucking with Linux since 2005 and have yet to get a single thing to work correctly. I guess I'm the only one who thinks an (mostly) invisible file system in incomprehensible repetitive folders, made of complete nonsense commands might not be the best way to operate a computer system.

I'm really frustrated if you can't tell.

On another topic, trying to get Ollama to run on my Lubuntu VM was also impossible. I guess if everyone knew it was going to force you to somehow retroactively configure every motherfucking aspect of the install nobody would bother. You can sudo all day and it still denies me permission to do things LISTED IN THE MOTHERFUCKING DOCUMENTATION.

Is this all just low-effort poorf** bullshit that doesn't actually work?

Same with my arch install, didn't touched it for 2 months even though laptop was turned off it decided to die when i launched it and run pacman -syu

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Perhaps ironically, lemmy. I had the database catastrophically fail early on, and ever since then federation has been broken with most major instances. I kind of prefer lotide anyway, much more minimalistic, less of a focus on upvotes and downvotes, and the code base is simply enough that I've been able to hop into it and make changes.

I've been updating Nextcloud in-place (manually) for multiple major versions without any flaws. What is the problem?

The solution for me is that I run Nextcloud on a Kubernetes cluster and pin a container version. Then every few months I update that version in my deployment yaml to the latest one I want to run, and run kubectl apply -f nextcloud.yml and it just does its thing. Never given me any real trouble.

This got mee googling Nextcloud and I think I'm going to give it a try 😱

I've hosted mine for years on my own bare metal Debian/Apache install and 28 is the first update that has been a major pain. I've had the occasional need to install a new package to enable a new feature, or needed to add new/missing indices to the database, but the web interface literally tells you how to do those things, so they're not hard.

28 though broke several of the "featured" apps that I use regularly, like "Retention". It also introduced some questionable UI changes that they had to fix with the recent .1 update. I'll get occasional errors when trying to move or delete files in the web interface and everything. 28 really feels like beta software, even though we're a point release in and I got it from the "stable" update channel.

Works great for me. I had it running in a snap for awhile, but now I just have it in a proxmox Debian container running a LAMP stack. I have over a terabyte of stuff saved and multiple computers syncing too, so its well used.

I can’t remember the last time I laughed this much

Well... no... I have been self hosting it for several years over multiple major versions now. Only for Files, Calendar and Deck though. It was a bit hard to set up, but reading the general Apache and PHP documentation helped a lot.

Installed it in k3s and then pulled up the Android app but all it does is say every single file is a duplicate and overload my notifications tray while not uploading anything

I won't update without first creating an image of the server to roll back to. Like others on here, the web updater almost always fails and goes into maintenance mode and I have to ssh in to fix it.

Having said that, functionally, I have no issues. Only when upgrading does the whole thing shit the bed.

Nextcloud for me too, would break because of updates requiring manual DB updates sometimes, apps would randomly stop working after updating too, or the 2 times it caused total data loss on all my synced devices and the server itself which required a full restore from backups.

After getting rid of it and switching to Syncthing + Filebrowser + SFTPGo for WebDAV I haven't really had anything break since then (about a year now). Stuff also runs much faster, NC was extremely slow even on good hardware with all their recommended settings for performance.

I didn't realize that next Cloud was so bad, might I recommend people having issues try Seafile? Also open source and I've been using it for many years without issues. It doesn't have as many features and it doesn't look as shiny but it's rock solid

Have a random meme from my instance

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I had TOTP die for one user on my Nextcloud. I tried to disable it, but it "didn't exist". I tried to enable it, but it was already enabled. It would come up when I used occ twofactorauth:state user. I ended up fixing it by (force) disabling the app and re-enabling it. It didn't break any other user's TOTP and it fixed problem-user's TOTP. No idea what went wrong, but I get these random issues with Nextcloud sometimes.

The plus side to this is I've learnt how to use Mariadb and I've gotten better at debugging things.

Well dang, I have Nextcloud installed as a snap (which has been perfectly stable for me when running on Ubuntu Server), but I was thinking of switching over to a docker installation; this thread doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm for that idea...

I haven't had any issues with Nextcloud yet. But any torrent client refuses to work. I've tried various qbittorrent containers, transmission, deluge briefly, they all work for a while but eventual refuse to do anything.

I gave up on owncloud just before it became nextcloud because it kept breaking every time I updated it.

Wallabag is similar for me now. I'm stuck on a slightly out of date version because I can't get newer ones to run. Everything else I self host is painless though.

Currently dealing with this nonsense,

and this accompanying nonsense:

Invidious. It's to be expected for something like that though.

To be honest, no. I run in a Truenas Jail, and its stable for me. Just a bit slow for big files sometimes.

I’m not self hosting an instance, but kbin is super fucking broken lately and it’s getting really frustrating. It’s been about a week. I submitted a ticket in their Git repo, but no response.

The very same reason why I gave up on Nextcloud. Too many nasty surprises.

The snap version of nextcloud has been pretty solid for me, except for the time that I installed the nextcloud backup app.

I wish there were an alternative in a sane programming language that I could actually contribute to. For some reason PHP is extremely sparse in its logging and errors mostly only pop up on the frontend. Having to debug errors after an update and following some guide to edit a file in the live env that sets a debugging variable, puts the system in maintenance mode and stores additional state in the DB is scary.

Plus PHP is so friggin slow. Nextcloud takes noticeable time to load nearly anything. Even instances hosted by pros that only host nextcloud are just slow.

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Paperless often randomly stops accepting new documents. I have to wait several hours or restart it.

For me it’s Pi-hole. For six months it runs fine, then dies so horribly I resort to snapshot rollback and we both pretend it never happened.

Invidious. It got so bad that I just gave up and switched to piped which has been... well, not perfect, but definitely far more consistent.

My Nextcloud has been flawless. The only issue I've had was NFS permissions. I have automatic update setup for docker so it stays up to date.

Care to share what broke?

Thats unfortunate.

I had a vm (windows) on proxmox that was crashing ~5-10 times a week. Turned out to be a graphics settings that was killing it.

It is fine, but then again I update it often too late which is actually pretty bad. The problem is Nextcloud pushes new features and a high frequency schedule of releases with those at an alarming rate of speed. Perhaps for corporate environments it is not as big of a deal as a professional team can fix obscure bugs with their knowledge and experience on their mirrored test servers, but home users don't have these resources available and public community knowledge and bug fixes need time which that release schedule hinders.

I still wouldn't say it is bad by default, simply because somehow it runs pretty stable for me since a decade. Updates are a pain though with many breaking changes and little bugs.

Not using Nextcloud. Found it a bit difficult to deploy and maintain than OwnCloud. Since then, I haven‘t had any problems with OwnCloud.

I must be in the minority. I don't trust swarm syncing or the cloud.

Bad stories about nextcloud scare me 😂 I hope Im not gonna jinx myself, but my nextcloud runs super stable for almost a year. I get some errors while updating, but service doesnt stop working and its usually simple fix by following the message it shows.

I removed apps that I dont use (most of them) and web ui became super fast on my budget server

Actually all services are so smooth and almost no issues, maybe beginner luck 😉

Yep. Got such a service as well. I've got this one docker container that's supposed to connect to a VPN and provide access from the outside to another one. The bitch keeps just crashing to a point where even "restart policy: always" will give up on it. Doesn't matter too much usually, since I can start the container before I need it, and it will usually run for half a day or so, yet still

Open media vault on pi4 is shitting the bed constantly

My wonderful MongoDB powered, old as fuck mFi vm. It's running on Ubuntu 14 because that's the last supported version and Ubiquiti abandoned this shit decades ago. It's set to restore and reboot once a month. That usually keeps shit working lol

This is Seafile for me. Definitely not the "set it and forget it" Google Drive alternative I was hoping for. Thank goodness I have Syncthing backing up important files, but sharing with friends and family is a nuisance.

Happily using NextCloud AIO without any major issue.

I don’t, I just keep running out of memory on my servers….

I run a k3s Kubernetes cluster on a single KVM host(multiple VMs). Honestly I do not care a single f*ck about that machine nor k3s itself. I update once a year, do not have any documentation written nor IaC somewhere. I always forget how I configured the networking stuff for example. But that machine runs my critical services flawlessly without a single crash in like 3 years. So no I cannot relate.

The simple fix is to not use nextcloud

Take that as you want but a vast majority of the complaints I hear about nextcloud are from people running it through docker.

Wait so it's not just that my vps only has 1gb of ram?

You guys with more ram still get crashes?

What we need is something that is a) Private (not saying nc isn't) b) Independent of any judicial government c) P2P and ultra redundant d) Run by a true non-profit (not like openAI) e) Massively distributed, process wise and storage wise f) OS independent, written in pure C or Rust.

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I don't, because I switch it with something better if something like that happens.