There's nuance. Obviously, vote for the liberal over the fascist, it's not even close. However, the fascists are absolutely represented in government, while there's no leftist candidates to speak of. Leftists have to plug their nose and vote liberal, while fascists gleefully vote republican.
Voting is entirely for loss prevention, because ultimately it absolutely impacts minority groups and people who stand to lose a great deal by a republican victory. However, leftists will not be able to move America to the left by voting.
That's why grassroots movements and building up of parallel structures are so important for leftism, it cannot work within the confines of a 2 party Capitalist state, and must be built from the bottom up.
If the DNC wanted to, it could pass ballot & electoral reform. It doesn’t, because FPTP/winner takes all benefits them doubly - either they lose and can fundraise off “red team bad” messaging, or they win power and get their turn at the levers of power.
If you’re politically homeless on the right, anything even slightly to the right of median is preferential to ‘conserve’ the world you’re clutching to. Slowing or preventing change is your mantra politically, because you like the status quo today/previously
If you’re politically homeless on the left, you’re bullied in liberal unity under big-tent centrism, even though it’ll never effectively serve your core interests like right wing unity would. There may be some overlap, but good luck with actual legislative movement on LGBTQ+, unionization, campaign finance reform, alternative policing, etc
Under a different system we’d actually have coalitions and better representation on issues- especially topics with entrenched left-right collusion like foreign policy.
Here's what I don't get about this. If you vote for Trump this time, you know what you're getting. He was already president, so you know what you're in for. Is there really anybody on the fence here? I mean, I understand hating both candidates and declining to vote for either one, but if you vote for Trump, then you agree with Trump.
It does. Biden is able to get away with being toothless and doing things like continuing to build the border wall. It feels like his only redemption is he's not Trump. I will vote my mind during the primaries but if it's Biden, I'm gonna hate that I have to vote for him simply because the alternative is worse.
It's the same thing I was saying in 2020. I'm not voting Biden, I'm voting bye don.
"Both parties are the same" is an obviously silly statement.
At the same time, "Vote for the man who says he can't avoid building Trump's wall, but can use executive power to sell weapons specifically to be used for genocide... Because the other guy is worse." is not a great way to raise voter turnout.
Some of the people criticizing others in this thread have been organizing against genocide. Have been calling their representatives, protesting in the street, etc.
If that's you; Great! My beef is not with you.
If not, and especially if you were telling people to vote for Biden in 2020 because we could "push him to the left"; Maybe work on getting Biden to stop funding genocide and generally push an agenda that will make people want to vote for him.
With current levels of partisanship, turnout is what makes the difference in elections.
Criticizing the very people you're trying to get to vote is at best counter-productive.
Like it or not, if you're campaigning for Biden then you're an embassador for the Democratic party. People notice what you spend your energy on, and what you don't. If you spend more time calling people on the left "stupid" than you do campaigning to end genocide? People will notice, and they will associate Biden supporters with hypocrites that don't actually care about them or people like them.
Being a dick is easier than actually organizing; But it won't achieve your stated goals.
Don't forget, with all the bad talk about immigrants, his wife, late mother, and late ex-wife are/were all immigrants.
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Jeff Tiedrich, @itsJeffTiedrich
gee, who do I vote for, the guy who I sometimes don't agree with, or the fascist dictator-wannabe who warns about immigrants "poisioning the blood" of white people. what a fucking conundrum
With this behaviour and this thinking you'll be voting against "The Bigger Evil" for the rest of your life. Your kids will be bullied into voting for "The Lesser Evil" their whole life, your grandchildren will be reminded by their friendly AI legal expert to vote for anyone just not for "Evil Jeff".
Your whole political conscience revolves around a struggle that doesn't exist. You do no good voting for any of these manipulative racists, liars and/or genocidal clowns by listening to paid twitter jesters or hollywood stars. The eChoEs of these shouting matches are so loud now, normal spoken words don't have any weight.
If you put just a fraction of the energy, money or your thoughts into changing your fascist system instead of this useless reality show you call politics every four years (and the years in between), you might be able to die with a knowledge that your children and grandchildren could live in a (more) normal world.
But where's the fun in normality? right?
Most fucked up part is that that Turd is the reflection of republicans. ;/ Which means that half of the USA went crazy, not just one politician ;/ If electorates were decent human beings, republican party would be forced to offer a decent human being for presidency ;/ and not this anti-science Turd..
Ah yes, genocide is something I "sometimes don't agree with"
Disgusting.
If it's a constant race to the bottom... who cares. I would rather see us bottom out so that there is a chance that I could see real change in my lifetime.
That dictator guy sounds like a doctor, doctors can't do harm, thus vote for him!
If you tally the effects of lifetime policies enacted by Trump vs Biden...
Who the fuck is Jeff Tietrich? And why does he think he's smarter than Princeton?
"Don't compare me to the Almighty; compare me to the alternative."
Biden is practically saying, "What are you going to do? Vote for the other guy?"
For fuck's sake, this is how you lose. Time's tickin', people.
Edit: Biden will not lose the popular vote, but he can easily lose the Electoral College. Demand more of him while there is still time.
Fascist dictator? where do I sign up?
I dont listen to jews
Wow Democrats are eating each other alive at the realization that they may not win. I'm a bleeding heart leftist that would really love if we don't backslide into a fascist Cristo nationalist state but seriously this screaming anger that people aren't agreeing with the milquetoast forced pick is definitely not gonna help.
Everyone said that the Republican party would split but no. Democrats will lose again by being angry and not supporting people once again.
A party that looks willing to change to better support the requests of their people is a lot more attractive than one that just wants to push the tower back together and keep playing the same games. And when competing against someone who is able to pretend the rubble is is a castle if you just whip hard enough then you are gonna be against a wall that doesn't budge.
This look of spiteful anger isn't going to get people to back the old man and that's the hard truth that needs to be accepted.
I'm certainly not voting for Joe "I'm a Zionist" Biden.
Though to be fair, I'm in Florida so my vote means fuck all anyway. Maybe if I lived in a state he had an ass chance of winning I'd consider that "least harm" BS.
No, you shouldn't vote Democrat - both parties tend to have unimaginably negative foreign policy that perpetuates the American empire across the globe. This is the greatest source of evil in the world - not regressive immigration policy.
This is even why you should consider voting for Trump, regardless of what you think about him: he actually seems to endorse isolationism to some degree. I think they are probably the same concerning Israel, but it is not illogical to say that Trump would've done something else concerning the Ukraine, or that he would have be engaging with China very differently.
