Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU single market - poll
Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU single market - poll
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Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU single market - poll
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Yep. GRU / FSB propaganda scored a huge run of hits. Still very popular even.
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Only if the UK wanted to fully rejoin the EU. Countries can join the European Economic Area without joining the EU, like Norway and Iceland did for example - the downside being they are bound by rules they don't have a right to vote on, even if in practice the EU always consults them.
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I'd go for that and Schengen just to make future fuckery even more difficult.
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Honestly, I wished we were part of Schengen before we left. it's great!
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Good luck on that.
The EU would make demands so steep, crawling on broken glass would be mild.
Brexit was a catastrophic diplomatic event, bridled with ridiculous underhanded manouvers from the UK to try and sneak away from demands.
I am not against the UK rejoining the EU but as a common member, with all the demands required to join like any other country.
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I think it's misleading to say that EU would make steep demands, because it gives the impression that EU would deliberately try to make UK joining difficult. UK shouldn't get any special treatment (good or bad) and they should get the exact same standard joining procedure all other countries would get. The standard procedure is already going to have their panties twisted, no need to give them a legitimation reason to complain.
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Let's keep in mind the UK dove into directions so divergent from the EU, on such trivial matters, just to face those demands - so trivial it will feel as petty - will make the UK negotiators twist their hands in anger.
And to crown it all, just the demand to drop the pound would be nurderous to the british pride.
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It would not be that bad. The EU wants the UK back not only because both sides would greatly economically benefit from this but because one of the main reasons for EU's existence is the continuation of peace in Europe. So the UK must be part of the EU.
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I am not again the UK rejoining the EU.
My country has had the country as an ally for centuries and we went to great lenghts to facilitate the movements of brits to and from but the UK needs to recognize it is not more than any other member of the EU.
That stupid and hollow pride needs to come down and mistakes have to be recognized.
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I doubt they would, at all.
It is in their best interest to give the UK the same standing it once had, because it will make any country think twice about leaving. The UK has suffered outside of the EU, and should it return and see growth, it'll be the closest ally to the group that you could possibly have.
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We should really stop doing polls. People will answer depending on how something sounds on the surfcae with exactly no clue about details.
The same people in UK that want to rejoin the EU single market will also vote against most consequences of joining the single market.
Just like for example a majority of Europeans when asked wants to stop daylight saving time changes for permanent 'summer time' (because summer is a more positive connotation when that 1 hour shift from standard time is bad by any objective metric and actually bad for our health).
Just like a majority of Germans right now loudly agrees to more investments, to then turn around and answer in another poll how spending any money (even more when it's financed by debt) should be avoided.
People are idiots and polls have lost most their meaning as I can get any answer I want just by who I ask and how I phrase the question.
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Agreed. Most American polls are still done by phone, so it only counts people who answer unknown calls, and then answer a series of questions about their beliefs. Which just gets more unbelievable every day.
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And then there are online polls, that already cherry-pick the people by where they advertize. And that's on top of the effect that people with a strong opinion and desire to voice it are overrepresented in such polls.
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I never understood the arguments people use surrounding daylight savings. The health risks, accident risks, any risks surround the actual switch, not really the what time is used. If the clocks were set forward for "summer time" then 3 months later Daylight savings was abolished and no one changes their clocks anymore (as you said, permanent summer time) there would be no ill effects from it cause everyone was already used to the time change.
I want to get rid of daylight savings. I don't care whether it's standard time that use used or daylight savings time that is used as long as the switchover stops happening.
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With people mostly using clocks which don't need adjusting, we could have the best of both worlds.
Currently, 12 o'clock is defined as the sun being at its highest point at a specific location (in winter, standard time)
Imagine you take the same reference location, and define sunrise as 7:00 (am). No health issues, no sudden changes, and probably best for the biorhythm.
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If the clocks were set forward for "summer time" then 3 months later Daylight savings was abolished and no one changes their clocks anymore (as you said, permanent summer time) there would be no ill effects
Yes, there would be "ill effects". Having more daylight later the day is a pure luxury/convenience (for the people not working at that time anymore...). Having to an hour more between waking up and the sun coming up however has adverse effects on your natural clock and health.
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No, there is exactly nothing useful about daily polls how you would vote if the election that is actually happening in 3-4 years is tomorrow. It has zero worth as information and is only used for the also daily "see, that party got another 0.5%, they will totally be the one ruling party soon/we nend to fight them before they take over!" polarizing bullshit destroying democracies.
There is even less use, when a lot of these polls from (always the same) questionable sources are used by (always the same) publications for their narratives.
This has nothing to do with information and transparency anymore, but a lot with manipulation and propaganda.
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On the one hand, you are absolutely correct, people are idiots
On the other hand, your arguments against polls are equally valid arguments against any form representative democracy. Politicans, policies and programs are just like polls. People will often vote purely based on surface apperances. See: every law called "the fluffy familes act" or two-thirds of US elections going to the taller cannidate.
There's a reason it's called 'the least bad form of government'
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You are the second person now that tries to tell me how important polls are, just because I didn't phrase it "we should stop such polls"... while I clearly then described my problem with these kind of polls.
Yes, polls make the same sense as elections do. That's exactly the reason we don't have direct democracies and people are voted for 4-5 years in most countries.
Asking people once for their opinion of Brexit to get a base line for public opinion is okay, although it's not that precise obviously but can at least tell you if a majority seems reachable. Asking them again after a few months or after important (unexpected) decisions is helpful. Asking them again and again when there is not vote or referendum happening however is worthless.
The same is true for polls about any question or general voting twice a week when the actual vote takes place in years. That's not about transparency but manipulation.
We saw exactly those kind of polls before Brexit constantly used for months to tell the story of how everything is okay and there is no reason to panic as there's no majority for Brexit. How many against voters might have been stayed home because of that bullshit?
We also see this in multiple countries right now, where no election is even close but there are new polls about that imaginary vote at least two or three times a week. This also has no informational value. It's just used for polarisation (who the fuck gives something about a +0.2% for some party years before the next election, unless it's either that party telling a fabvolous story of their increasing support or their opposition trying to scare people).
We have (more or less) representative democracies with long terms, because everything else is highly impractical. We don't need polls every few days as actual policies don't shift that quick. Those polls are only used to fine tune the latest propaganda narratives or (social) media campaigns, not to evaluate actual support of people for the policies their governments enact.
So I also don't need yet another "rejoining the EU single market" poll when there is no vote about it even planned and it's from the same polling group that screwed up their prediction for Brexit originally. Yes, I already know they magically find all those pro-EU Brits and get high support numbers for cooperation witht he EU. Didn't help them with the reality of Brexit...
If there ever is another referendum or an important political decision about pursuing more cooperation with the EU, would love to see some polls. With an emphasis on plural, and then some averaging between them and a proper analysis of the methodology and exact questions asked. Yet another YouGov online poll about "who wants to rejoin the single market" without actual details about the question and how detailed the people asked where informed about what this all entails... yeah, not thanks. Please get rid of that crap.
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Just like for example a majority of Europeans when asked wants to stop daylight saving time changes for permanent ‘summer time’ (because summer is a more positive connotation when that 1 hour shift from standard time is bad by any objective metric and actually bad for our health).
This is total nonsense. Which time would make more sense to adopt permanently depends on several factors including the geographic location within the current very wide CET/CEST time zone (one makes more sense on the west end, the other on the east end) and when people start and end their days.
Personally I am in favour of just getting rid of the entire time zone system and just getting up at a time that makes sense for you locally without changing the entire clock to match. That would have the benefit that talking about time would become several orders of magnitude easier on a world-wide scale, the person-years required to develop anything related to calendars would be cut in half, most people could calculate travel times in their heads even across what is currently multiple time zones,.. with the only major downside being that the date would change some time while we are awake and possibly working.
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The absolute lack of sympathy in here for those of us that voted remain is disgusting.
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The way a referendum works is that the side with more votes gets to do the thing, in this case brexit. How you voted does not matter as the majority of your countries population (who voted) voted to leave. You don't get to "I voted for Kodos" this 7 years later.
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That referendum was 7 years ago and it passed with a 2% majority, under conditions where the Leave campaign was caught lying out of their teeth.
A lot of people who voted on it have died since then and a whole cohort of people aged 18-25 didn't get a chance to vote.
Democracy required them to go through with it, but democracy also means they are allowed to change their mind and apply for EU, EER or EFTA membership.
I, for one, will welcome them back at the soonest opportunity.
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How is that fair? If the vote had been to oppress an minority group you wouldn't then go oh well it's that population groups fault for being oppressed would you?
I'm not sure that the level of vitriol here is entirely justified. Wouldn't the European Union be more economically sound if the UK rejoined. Wouldn't a unified trade block be the best thing possible you should want the UK back in if the UK wants back in. I do not get this attitude of oh screw all the British people because well the vast majority of Scottish didn't want it, most of the population of London didn't want it. It was basically just a bunch of idiot yokels and old people who are now dead who wanted to leave the EU because they thought the EU was in some way this evil entity.
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Yeah, I remember the people being interviewed on the street saying they where remainers and also they where not planing to vote. It was a silly time.
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You don't understand, we are sympathetic but the lead up to brexit did have a part in tanking the economy... Aside from inflation, Covid, etc... You guys need to get your shit together before we can move on. It will take time and make no mistake, You will never again regain the priviliged position you had before. It absolutely sucks for the remainers but thats how it is.
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There is a lot of sympathy for those unlucky brits that voted remain. As a person who strongly identifies as european, I can barely imagine how it must have felt to leave our union. Made me heartbroken back then.
We just cannot give you a better treatment than those brits who voted to leave when it comes to rejoining. Unless you all move to Scotland and then leave the UK.
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I'm sure the EU would (re)welcome the UK as a member, but it will almost certainly not be on the same terms they had before Brexit. I do hope it happens, but I'm also a pessimist.
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As an EU Citizen - they are welcome back, but without the cherry picking.
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Ah so Brenter has begun
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Brease-can-we-come-back?
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Brease forgive me
Britain Adams
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But majority of EU citizens do not.
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Are you sure? I don't mind. Together we have a stronger economy. If they want to be subject of all EU market policy without having a voice in the decision process that's their choice.
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In a few decades maybe. Or in a non-voting manner similar to norway, but with how they sabotaged the eu from the inside while they were in it and the very conservative politics over there I don't think the UK rejoining as a full member would be beneficial to the EU at this point.
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Don't want these bitches back, they hurt our union like a cancer.
The back they want is the special treatment they got before, wich is a absolute no go.
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The issue is that the UK is too big both population and economy wise to be content with following EU's laws unquestionably.
They already complained about it when it was not actually happening so imagine the outrage this time around.
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Snip, snap! Snip, snap! Snip, snap!
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Do you have any idea the toll three vasectomies has on a person?
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As EU citizen watching from the sidelines, I'm disappointed nobody is rallying for political reforms. The UK government has proven multiple times now it is incapable of governing and policing to adapt for changing realities. I don't think the UK is ready for any future until painful structural reforms of their parliamentary system and executive. This mess was and is caused by UK politics and they deserve all the anger as fuel to fix their workplace. Until then, an effort to rejoin would occupy the executive for years and make UK life only worse because necessary local policy-making would'nd get the attention it deserves.
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While I would love to have the UK rejoin it won’t happen in at least the next 5-8 years, probably not even 20 years. The problem isn’t just whether the EU would accept the UK it’s that the Brexit period was so politically toxic the two main parties won’t touch it.
The people can say they want it all they like but unless a governing party is willing to risk tearing itself apart over it then it won’t go anywhere.
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It's a shame that Starmer won't budge on it, although a part of me wonders if it is a ploy to get votes in, so that he can switch his stance once in power and do pretty much what he wants.
Like it or not, the gammon vote is quite powerful, but once his five year term is in, he could get back into the EU within 1-2 years, and take the next 3-4 benefitting from a stronger economy.
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No, please no, stop UK from joining europe.
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The UK is already a member of Europe you idiot it's the EU the UK left
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Oops a typo and i'm an idiot... Uk is a part of europe geographically. Culturaly speaking... Less and less.
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The UK is as much of a member of Europe as Greenland is a member of America... you could count it, but you could also just not. When people are talking about North America they're usually not thinking about Greenland. In the same way, the UK is often not considered when talking about Europe (although it is more tied to mainland history). When people say Europe they often mean to exclude some countries like the UK or maybe Turkey (but not always).
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Britain must rejoin! It is time to stop this undignified squabbling! It is time to quit fighting over petty whims! It is time to stand together, to unite and to face the great terrible evil in the very heart of europe: Belgium!
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Insert J.J. Jameson laugh
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Majority of Britons support rejoining the EU
single market - pollFin.
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If the question was asked I'm sure the EU would have a rational response rather than that response because that's unhelpful and doesn't move the situation forward.
Also no one likes the Tories they don't even like each other and fight like a sack full of cats, it's fine they're going to lose the election.
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I could genuinely see the ceasing to exist as a political party in the next decade
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Good. But priority for EU is integrate the West Balkans (waiting too long), Ukraine + Moldova.
In parallel reform processes:- abolish national vetos (aka consensus) so no Orban-types can take the ship hostage.
- strengthen the EU parliament, over the council and commission
- accept concept of multi-tier participation (it's reality anyway)
We need more debating each issue on each merits, rather than horse-trade mega-packages of transactional deals. In that respect, if Britain rejoins one component at a time, it’s better for everybody's understanding of benefits and challenges.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
LONDON, Nov 29 (Reuters) - A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.
The YouGov polling showed that 57% of Britons would now support joining the single market even if that meant the resumption of the free movement of people, a policy which led to millions of families and workers moving to Britain during the country's membership.
Support for joining the single market, which also guarantees the free movement of goods and services, was divided along political lines.
For those respondents who voted to leave the EU and who would back the opposition Labour Party in an election tomorrow, 53% support single market membership, with 31% opposed.
Labour, which is on course to win the next election according to opinion polls, has promised to improve the country's trading relationship with the bloc, but leader Keir Starmer has said he does not want a return to the single market.
In general, the poll shows that 72% of Britons want the country to have closer ties with the European Union, including a majority of both Remain and Leave voters.
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Watching Brexit was one of the most bizarre world events I’ve seen in my life. Truly the slowest, clear-cut train crash in modern times. Literally everybody knew it was dumb, everybody knew what the result was going to be, and nothing really deviated from expectations.
Hell, when they were playing musical chairs with PMs over enacting the changes and kept blowing past all of the “absolute deadlines” I started to wonder if they were just going to pretend the vote never happened and just live their lives as usual. Frankly, they might’ve gotten away with it.
Bizarre indeed, but at the same time highly entertaining. Real life comedy at its best!
Depends if you are watching or in it
2016 was a weird time and you could argue it was the point when western politics veered off in the direction of populism over policy.
As a British citizen (sorry subject), it was a horrifying moment to be woken up by my girlfriend to learn that we had voted to leave by the smallest of margins.
And later that year we watched America elect a bonafide psychopathic narcissist as the president of the United States.
Why the majority elect to be kept under the boot with aggressive fiscal policies which reward the wealthy is beyond me.
Brexit was sold on lies and false promises of the 'benefits' Britain would see when we become 'independent' again.
For a long time, I was convinced they would actually turn around and stop the whole endeavour, as it was clearly a giant, unforced blunder. But here we are...