Raddle dunking on lemmy for dunking on raddle

raddle is where like four weird lifestyle anarchists (this is code words for libertarians with left aesthetics) pretend to be a lot more than four users
- Aren't lifestylists individualists rather than on the libertarian left? Isn't that the whole reason Bookchin denounced them?
- Libertarian is a type of anarchism.
ziq and their 200 alts
- It’s been months since I did that and I’ve apologized on my site every time the issue has come up. There is no excuse for manipulating the people on raddle like I did. I won’t do it again.
Damn takes me back.
Just from memory, I think Raddle started as an alt-Reddit back when shitredditsays was still a thing. I remember getting an invite on the IRC.
- Raddle has been fighting the struggle for digital autonomy for years now. Hexbear didn’t need to exist, you could have come to my site instead.
  Instead, Hexbear’s founder was a mod on both r/chapotraphouse and r/moretankiechapo. He pulled a con on everyone here, I’m not surprised someone doxed him.
It's a red dye used to mark sheep.
Raddle.me is a site I founded. It runs on Postmill and it remains the best hope for a post-civilization internet.
- post-civilization Internet
  GOOD bit

hexbear dunking on raddle dunking on lemmy dunking on raddle

Apparently anarcho-lifestylists think ancoms are secret tankies or something. You can see their feud start here: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/81827/how-anarcho-communism-would-create-authority
Highlight: Db0 calls ziq an authoritarian for opposing democracy.
It was then turned into an even bigger anti-ancom rant:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy
- “How would you feed people then, genius?” I hear you scoff. The answer is simple; tried and tested for millennia. I wouldn’t feed people.
  LMAO
- https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy
  They really let anyone contribute, huh?
- Eh, as far as arguing goes, that ended way more amicably than my arguments with non-anarchists usually go.
Very funny to see that, Db0 blocks lemmygrad and they’re being called a tankie???

I went into that thread to talk to them but holy fuck, these replies are essentially demanding trans people self harm

Large concentration of trans people on hexbear just goes to show that not all queer people are cool people, and we're not automatically going to have anything more in common just by sharing a part of our identity. I don't think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.

No you in fact do share a lot, it's been my experience overwhelmingly that our experiences are very uniform. I can talk and relate to people from all over the globe trivially, things are that shit for us everywhere. This sort of rhetoric is detrimental to the survival of the trans community, and is purely for the sake of ideology. For fucks sake, 90% of trans people are socialist. This is essentially encouraging trans people to check out of the community that helps them most (and I have had one person internalize this argument in person! It led to total self ostracization of help for ideological reasons). Sectarianism is so fuckin ridiculous, and is even more ridiculous in the trans community. In my view, it's incredibly important to have large non corporate trans spaces, it is easier to translate online activity to real world activity with trans people because we're desperate to get good things happening. This rhetoric tries to interdict that

tankies are worse because they should know better than to do around the clock propaganda for authoritarian homophobic states

Trans people get food and housing in these states, which is the biggest issue to fix in the west, based on my experience working with people. Mutual aid and charity have unfortunately been unable to tackle this completely, and regardless, the rhetoric before interdicts even anarchist mutual aid

most people have no authority-consciousness but marginalized people absolutely do, and yet some of us choose to use that consciousness to push for more authority, convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it's obscene

Specters still haunting

not all queer people are cool people,
Norman Finkelstein is right? apparently radlibs really do only care about LGBT for building their social capital as fashionable
I don't think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.

convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it's obscene
lol how's your "liberatory free markets" doing in Ukraine after leftoids heroically SMASHED THE STALINIST STATE in the 2014 coup? Remember that psychotic genocidal trans who was fired for being too mask off in their obscenity? Hmm
- CyberStalin
They're trolling you now https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/178095/i-suppose-gulags-are-sorta-food-and-shelter-congrats
- Yeah I'm aware, very special. Doesn't bother me, it's just sad that they're hurting themselves and encouraging others to do so. Also saying that stat is incorrect is nonsense, I polled a large lgbt org for that number, over 100 trans people so likely very representative for my area which statistically should have around 1000 trans people. There have been more systematic estimates suggesting 80% are hard left. Could be involvement in an org boosts it by 10%
  They can say China doesn't have free shelters or cheap as hell housing all they want, I have contact with many trans groups in China that handle mutual aid, I take their word over ziqs or checks notes the fucking Economist. Id really like to increase the Chinese speaking community here so you can hear it direct from them. It's still not a picnic but the conditions are different, which is unique.

This now an AMA post.

@ziq@hexbear.net, how do you feel about showering with your homies? Personally, I can't really respect a person until I've seen their hog.

e: pronoun correction

I was wondering why they showed up to comment on this thread so much, with perfect "I'm not mad! You're mad! You're all just jealous!" energy.
NGL, wind has been taken out of my sails a bit, I thought this was ego driven, that they found this thread from constantly searching for mentions of raddle everywhere. Don't really want to bully them now, they're more pathetic and sad than anything.
i'm convinced this site has rotted away all your critical thinking skills
you’ve become conditioned to parrot the party line and be rewarded for it, no matter how disconnected from reality it becomes. you need that dopamine hit of the collective praising you for owning the anarkiddies with your gulag memes
UwU daddy save me with your big strong tank
- Oh please, don't act like everyone here is a tankie, I'm twice as big a liberal as you.
- you’ve become conditioned to parrot the party line and be rewarded for it, no matter how disconnected from reality it becomes.
  Pretty rich coming from someone who parrots the US State Department's line on every AES country and every successful revolution.
  you need that dopamine hit of the collective praising you for owning the anarkiddies
  Right, yeah, that's sure what happens all the time on an instance where people get banned for being anti-anarchist, anti-anarchist sentiment will get a comment removed, and where a good number of the users, even some mods and "power users" are themselves openly anarchist. Yet you run a "community" that bans anyone and everyone with the slightest hint of support for those ebil AuThOrItArIaN socialist countries, and constantly post threads about how dumb and mean those theory-reading "tankies" are. Projection much?
- but where hog
- why so many alts.

Dunking this, dunking that, how about we all dunk some Oreos in milk and have a nice day

alright, enough of this showboating, @ziq@hexbear.net let's settle this on the court, our best 3 against your best 3, street rules... unless you're chicken??

I don’t have to answer for anything. Especially not from a tankie. Raddle and Postmill continues to be the best hope for a post-civ internet.
I am unsurprised @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com would set up shop in a red fash circlejerk after backstabbing raddle. Syndies are fucked.

Always fun to go on Raddle and read a conversation between ziq and their many alts

Ziq is they them from what someone said here
- Corrected. Also makes sense considering all the sockpuppet accounts
- this finally made me use your website’s authoritarian red fash pronoun tags

Lmao

I've been too busy working the past few days to keep up with online drama

I'm fucking tired but it's cool I made the even more terminally online "leftists" at raddle mad hehehe

Would it be too online of me to write a response?

If any of you understood my positions, you very likely wouldn't be tankies. You have to be incredibly obtuse and prone to cult-like obedience to dear leader to be a tankie.
People who dedicate themselves to being subordinate to the party elite will never understand anarchy or wrap their heads around critiques of the fatalistic left/right paradigm.
- Do you, like, believe that we just have some innate desire to be obedient to authority figures? That we really just mindlessly see someone in a position of power and instinctively blindly obey? You think none of us understand your positions, but it's obvious you don't have a clue why any of us support e.g. democratic centralism. Have you ever even tried to understand?

It’s tankies all the way down.

https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/178019/annoying-people-to-laugh-at-on-lemmy
- https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/8434041
  - https://raddle.me/wiki/tankies

Can this "struggle session" (if I'm allowed to use that phrase) spread to even more websites? Maybe all the way to facebook? Then my dad could weigh in, he would have a good time.

posting for the record books

A vote for Bart is a vote for ~~Anarchy~~ Stalinism

The dead guy is Bakunin spinning from being too close to Trotski, fueling the pollution factories with impotent rage

Almost fell for that account, lol

this is a fight worth having sign me up

I remember going on Raddle about ten years ago. Didn't have much to say about them negatively because there wasn't much content on there to begin with. Has it grown a lot since?

Belongs in !chapotraphouse3@hexbear.net

Is raddle the donald trump site or the terf site?

its the ziq site. the site where some radlib called ziq controls a dozen accounts and those accounts make up 95% of the content on the site
- So like this site and owls
- oh sounds weird

Seriously think about this for a second. A tankie is angry at me because I copy/pasted the definition of fascism and they liked the definition and aligned with it politically? Which was the whole point of my essay. Yikes.

Dude you're here holy shit! How's things? How have you been? It's been ages.
- https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/178019/-/comment/355462
  claims its not them 🤔
I love how confidently ignorant someone can be. It's not my definition of fascism, it's the definition of fascism.
I am presuming that you were referring to this:
“Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.”
This redefinition would logically imply that fascism existed even before Benito Mussolini was born; Napoleon Bonaparte would qualify as ‘fascist’ under this oversimplification. In reality, ‘the’ definition of fascism does not exist, and most scholars are well aware of that. Quoting Robert Paxton’s The Anatomy of Fascism, page 8:
Though many more interpretations and definitions were to be proposed over the years, even now, more than eighty years after the San Sepolcro meeting, none of them has obtained universal assent as a completely satisfactory account of a phenomenon that seemed to come from nowhere, took on multiple and varied forms, exalted hatred and violence in the name of national prowess, and yet managed to appeal to prestigious and well-educated statesmen, entrepreneurs, professionals, artists, and intellectuals.
In both the Kingdom of Italy and the late Weimar Republic, fascism was a predominantly petty bourgeois movement which the haute bourgeoisie—the ruling class—promoted to institutional power to forcibly eliminate the concessions to the lower classes, thereby preserving capitalism. No such development happened in the immediate foremaths of either the RSFSR or the People’s Republic of China.
As for the rest of your essay, I am not going to exhaust myself writing a response since I don’t see the point, but I do find it telling how there was not even an attempt to explain why the Bolsheviks ‘craved power’, which was apparently their motive for everything that they did. Why did the Bolsheviks ‘hijack a popular revolution’? For power. Why did the Bolsheviks instigate Red Terror? For power. Why did they rapidly industrialize? For power. Why did they make people dependent on the party? For power. Why did they wage class war on the kulaks? For power. Why did Beijing launch ‘murderous witch-hunts against supposed 'reactionaries' who had the wrong haircut, wore makeup, happened to own a cat, write anti-authoritarian literature or have furniture in their home’? For power, presumably.
As I said, it isn’t the only problem that I have with the essay—which I am not going to waste my time addressing in depth—but how anybody can find such shallow ‘analysis’ satisfying is something that I’ll never understand. I detest fascism but even I would not reduce all of its developments and atrocities to power hunger.
i noticed you responded to me in the raddle thread (i dont have an account there), i wasnt referring to you, but to a person somewhere else that was angry that blahaj and hexbear had large trans populations when raddle already existed (i believe it was on reddit during the whole exodus debacle?), sorry if i didnt make that clear, i aspire to having no thoughts in my head

also do yall plan to do any sort of fediverse stuff?
rip