Curious, do you guys know?
Curious, do you guys know?
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/4140312
Yes actually, he was "peacefully moved after the photo" <3
It’s an entire video!
What is a video if not a series of photos?
but which ones tell the truth while the others are all lies?
They were basically power washing tank crushed corpses into gutters.
I'm a very smart liberal, so I know this happened for sure because I've seen neo-nazis and NATO liberals say it happened a thousand times. Conversely, stupid authoritarian tankies will believe any stupid lie such as the actual video of the event
How do bones work
ive never heard anyone say anything like what this guy said... he just used his liberal imagination and thought it sounded pretty good and tossed it out like fact as they nearly always do
i was actually shown the whole video in the tankie propaganda outfit known as "high-school history class"
dont do this on the internet but irl if this ever comes up just ask "what happened to the tank guy?" and 99% people will say he got run over which of all the things that might have happened to him its the one thing we know almost certainly did not happen
If the video was from the US half the comments would be actively arguing that the tanks should have ran him over.
Cops love running people over in USA
Seriously just tell Americans he was protesting climate change and they'll say the tank should have used its main cannon.
Well we privatized that kind of violence. Can't be authoritarian vuvuzela 1984 if your citizens are so alienated from one another they shoot each other over protests. You get to stifle dissent and not take the blame.
If I obstructed a military vehicle in the US I would definitely have to move to Russia as a refugee. Liberals would argue that maybe I shouldn't be lynched but I need a history lesson (watching 700 hours of Rachel Maddow) and to learn to show respect.
700 hours of Rachel Maddow
I've been aware of le tank man for 20 years now.
It was only until hexbear that I found out there was a video.
This is the first time I've heard there's a whole album, too!
If there's a series of violent photos, surely you could provide a link to it?
No? You can't? Hmm, I wonder why that is.
Cw: dead bodies
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/06/1989-tiananmen-square-protests-photos/100751/
I mean I know the tank man photo itself is bullshit but what's the counterargument for stuff like 27 through 30 from this article. I didn't think anybody was contesting it happened just the narrative around the tank man photo.
Those are all real, there was obviously violence in and around the square and people were killed. I suppose I could have given them the benefit of the doubt that this is what they meant, but given the sentence immediately after where they reference (CW: Violence) "power washing tank crushed corpses into the gutters" it seems more likely they were talking about the propagandistic version which didn't happen.
Picture of guy getting the shit beat out of him while students hold his arms
A captured tank driver is helped to safety by students as the crowd beats him, on June 4, 1989, in Tiananmen Square.
Haha, thanks, Atlantic
There's definitely more gruesome photos than what's in there. I noticed they didn't include any of the soldiers burnt to death.
Actually what happened was they lined up every tenth person in China and squished them under tanks. They had thousands of thousands of tanks. Yes there are much more efficient ways to decimate a population but President Xi wanted to send a message so he did it with tanks. They're still power washing the corpses and gore off the road to this day.
The economy was so backwards. There was no fuel for the tanks. The soilders had to push them with their feet through holes in the bottom like Fred Flintstone. This made being crushed much slower and more brutal.
in the thread someone posted a video that is cut off right before he gets ushered safely away from the tanks
I swear the meaning of this photo (in the eyes of the general public) has changed in just the last 10 years.
How so?
It didn't have all this vitriol against China associated with it.
I personally thought it was commonly interpreted a different way, but it's hard to explain. Would be interesting to dig up some ancient reddit posts about it
edit: first try https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/hsdct/on_this_day_22_years_ago_tank_man_became_one_of/
I’m still convinced that they insisted on telling the tank crews to turn around and go back to the square.
Probably, yeah. He's blocking the tanks from leaving the square, and I recall him sort of gesturing back to the square while chatting with the driver of the first tank.
Tank man... The video?
Tank Man: The Motion Picture
Regardless of fakeness, misleadingness, or realness, is the the dunkee referring to an actual photo album, or is he just aggressively squeezing the faith out of his mustard seeds on this one?
As far as I can tell, he is just kind of guessing based on cultural osmosis. There is no photo of tank man being crushed, and I don't think even photos people claim are him being crushed. People just allude to "evidence" that they have never even looked up, let alone looked at, let alone verified.
Tank Man himself was videoed leaving the scene without being squished by tanks (there's something slapstick about how the tank keeps trying to go around and he keeps moving) but there is an album floating around on imgur and such with a bunch of gore photos. This is probably what he's talking about:
Probably NSFL
Here's one small iteration of the album. I've never seen it accompanied by provenance, and the photos are scattered enough that I don't feel confident drawing any conclusions without expert interpretation. Pic 14 is a good example. Without priming your mind via caption, what is even depicted here? How can we tell where or when it was taken? The Tank Man video (and some of the photos with bodies lying in the square) you can at least clearly place the location.
Like GalaxyBrain says, it's also possible to look at some of these photos and say "these are actually dead Chinese LEO/military" or whatever. Idk about that one way or another except where we can clearly see uniforms.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
There are some pretty horrific photos of what the protestors were doing to the Chinese police prior to the military being sent in.
just making shit up
"Tank man" is one of the most pervasive myths about "authoritarian China." It's fascinating how many layers upon layers of nonsense are heaped onto this one "photo."
First, the idea that it is a photo, not part of a video where he is seen walking away. Most people in the west don't even know the video exists. But yeah, China is the literally 1984.
Even if you can get them to watch the video at all (a disgustingly large number of them will just flat out refuse to even watch a 30 second video) they will then make bizarre claims like "those people ushering him away are plainclothes police officers" or "the whole video is faked by China."
Years ago when I used it, I would occasionally see the other photos where the person climbs the tank. Some would comment that it was brave or strange, and maybe some would ask questions and change their mind. Before I migrated over, I didn't see anything like that. Every comment was a joke or negative towards China.
Permanently Deleted
liberal Frazzledrip
ive read that on wikipedia, with citation being RFA
IIRC the original source is that a British ambassador said that a Chinese official said that it happened. That's good enough to treat claims of a massacre as indisputable fact, right?
Also the student leader who wasn't there when she claimed to have witnessed it
My sympathies to tank man. As someone who was photographed as a child I know the pain of having peacefully moved about after the photo was taken.
Permanently Deleted
Question: If "Tank Man" is censored in China, then why were American journalists allowed in an out of the country after photographing those events?
Question: If "Tank Man" is censored in China, why was he covered by state-run news on the day of the event?
Question: Why was Jeff Widener of the Associated Press given a Pulitzer Prize for a still photo of an event that was filmed? Could it possibly be because the still photo provides a more convenient implication than the actual events do? Is it possible that the United States wanted people to believe the PLA was brazenly running over random people with tanks that day?
Question: Why are we always shown photos of tank man in the west, but never the photos of the nude, lynched, burned corpses of PLA soldiers hung from their tank guns by US-backed reactionary coup plotters? Why are we never shown the photos of the failed coup-plotters joyriding around beijing in armored vehicles that they hijacked? If you think Jan 6th was scary, you should have seen what the US-backed coup plotters in China were doing.
insular communities
Aren't these the same people that de-federate from leftist instances? Who's the one doing the insulation?
Same logic behind calling North Korea and Cuba "hermit kingdoms" despite their isolation being a direct result of illegal sanctions imposed upon them, and not their own will.
Permanently Deleted
Honestly if Libs could even just double-check their definitely true facts by reading Wikipedia before blasting us tankies for our 'crazy' narratives it'd be a great start.
Ask the people calling us crazy why you should vote in 2024, and theyll repeat nonsense mantras about which genocidal corpse they're voting for.
