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Biden is going to lose in 2024 and the left is going to be blamed for checks notes being against genocide

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It's been hard trying to ram into liberals' thick skulls that the "lesser evil" voting shtick that comes every four goddamn years doesn't quite energize people to haul their asses to the booths, especially when said lesser evil is the incumbent. But I've seen some come around recently, so it's something.
- Also doesn't help when the "lesser evil" policy continues to become increasingly indistinguishable from the "greater evil" policy.
  
  We have reached peak evil. There's no crime that is actually worse than genocide. Libs have lesser-eviled themselves to the bottom of the pit and arrived at the ultimate evil. technically they've been there for a long time, but the rank and file had no idea. Now they know what's going on, it's in the news, it's on their social media.
  
  "Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man...
  
  Look, you're just going to have to hold your nose and vote Genocidal Fascist Party. You don't want Fascist-Genocidalist Party to win, do you?
  
  Also, Donald Trump is an evil fascist, but he's a cheap evil fascist. He would definitely inflame tensions with rhetorical support for Israel, say "Jerusalem is definitely seriously the capital guys", and probably appoint his son in law as their diplomat.
  ...but he probably wouldn't send them free weapons. There are a lot of areas where he is the greater evil but I don't actually think this is one of them.
  
  The lesser evil is just the greater evil with an 8-year delay
- Most liberals don't give a shit and are arguing in bad faith, be it consciously or not
  
  Most don't, but a good portion do. Many of us in the West were once disillusioned libs, even. It's absolutely necessary to further the disillusionment many have with the Dems, if not to turn them over to socialism then to weaken the duopoly and gain strength from the increasing illegitimacy of the system.
- It also doesn't work when "the lesser evil" spiel has been used for 40-odd years
  
  Yea at some point you can't use the same person with the outchx of "vote for him.and he'll be more progressive" after people have watched that not happen 6 times with their own eyes.
  So to counteract that liberals wrote an op Ed telling that person they're wrong and stupid.

Easily the funniest thing would be Biden winning the electoral college but losing the pop vote.
- the funniest thing would be literally no one voting
  
  One person in each state writes in Parenti so he gets all the Electoral College votes and becomes president
  
  hacking the voting machines not to cheat the election but to remove all the presidential and senate votes.
- Funniest outcome: Biden has a massive stroke shortly before the election, Trump wins easily vs a literally braindead opponent, then trump dies of McCardiacArrest before taking office, leaving us with president, uh idk maybe Matt Gatez or something.
  
  leaving us with president, uh idk maybe Matt Gatez or something.
  Mike Pillow
  
  With a similar scenario, we can have 4 presidents in 2025:
  January 1, 2025 - January 2, 2025: Biden is president until he dies from a stroke
  January 2, 2025: - Trump inauguration: Harris is president until she hands over the presidency to Trump
  Trump inauguration - Trump heart attack: Trump is president until he dies from a heart attack
  post-Trump heart attack: The VP becomes president
- chuds would shed their material bodies and ascend to a plane of pure cope
- Inshallah

Hey champ, can we maybe not talk about genocide right now?? Huh bud? Chief? Can we not do that while the most important election of our lifetimes is happening?? That ok buddy?
- 1 year into the term: hey buddy it’s only been a year. These things take time. Be patient.
  2 years in: champ it’s almost midterms. We can’t lose the Senate over Palestine, the adults in the room have more important concerns.
  3 years in: fam we have [arbitrary self- or GOP-initiated crisis like a government shutdown or Supreme Court decision] to deal with. This has to wait. We only have so much political capital.
  4 years in: this is the most important election
- "Don't let perfect be the enemy of being good"

Liberals will blame three groups in this order: "Woke" leftists against genocide, Palestinian/Arab Americans, Black people
- Probably any latinos that vote for Trump too. It happened in 2020 as well with neoliberal going from praising black voters for stopping Bernie to making racist comments about latinos for voting Trump in Florida.
  
  The only Black voters the libs praised were the copsucking Tom-and-Sally-assed misleaders who immediately got behind Kamala. They were going HOG WILD dumping on Black men about "oh it's wide-spanning misogynoir that makes them not vote for Kamala and totally not the fact that she's been billed as California's 'Top Cop' for half a fucking decade on three strike laws"; and they're probably gonna do it again when Kamala actually runs for presidency; 'cause you can't tell me she's not just a Black Hillary in the making.
  Deadass I know I shouldn't; but after all the bullshit the DNC's lapdogs tried running in 2020 against anyone who refused to back Genocide Joe and Top Cop Kamala, I automatically side-eye anybody who makes broad, sweeping accusations of misogynoir in political spaces as DNC agents.

Yeah. I'm cool with it. Fuck those fascist shitheads. Some
were handwaving "Genocide Joe" saying it was a GOP talking point. Fucking hell. I used to wonder, how could the Holocaust happen? How could so many people be complicit in something so horrible? I still don't understand it, but I'm afraid I'm starting to.

The rhetorical refuge of libs trying to vote scold right now is that genocide is going to happen either way, so you need to swallow your selfish pride and vote for the least bad genocide enabler.
A vote for someone endorsing genocide is apparently not approval of the genocide either. Vote for genocide but shake your head while doing it so everyone sees you disapprove.
- In this day and age, my 'selfish pride' is the only thing the government hasn't managed to rob me of yet, after taking everything else that could allow for a comfortable, equitable life that didn't mean selling every last iota of my waking time to some capitalist piece of shit who will sooner steal my labor than pay me what I'm worth.
  So I'm keeping it, and they can eat the blackest part of my ass if they think I'm going to discard it for them. These ain't allies, comrades, or countrymen.
- "I may have voted for the man but I did not wear the I voted sticker."
- I dont get how libs dont recognize how vote scolding just galvanizes whoever theyre scolding against them is the thing. Like it works on literally noone. Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
  
  Is it just a ritual to virtue signal to the in group?
  Yes. Dems are a lifestyle brand, its all an aesthetic.

where did you come from?
where did you go?
I'll never vote for Genocide Joe
- i've got that thing from kill bill where a siren goes off when I see someone's face, but it's cotton eyed joe when I see Genocide Joe

Bit idea: Joe Biden is a tankie.
Supports sending the tanks (to Ukraine).
Supports Muslim genocide (in Palestine).
See? Bona fide tankie.
- Bona fide tankie
  I think the term is actually Bona Fidel when applied to tankies
  
  I wish I had a chance to Bona Fidel
  
  It's "Bueno Fidel" actually
- Lathe time! Biden will be called a tankie not because of the reasons you listed, but because he's not right wing enough.

At this point, does it even matter what their spin doctors and their strategic autopsies conclude? If an electoral system only presents two options against genocide: feverish support, or guilty complicitness then it's fucking useless, it belongs in the garbage. It sucks that it took me a genocide to really really recognize how useless partisan electoralism is, because it's hard to dispell the illusion that maybe it'll give you some crumbs if the right guy comes along. Nope, not even in the face of genocide will it cede an inch.
- They can line up along party lines because it spurs controversy, which increases turnout and publicity. There’s plenty of money floating to both sides to balance that out.
  Our cowardly, self-serving politicians won’t dare bite the hand that feeds them. The Mossad is our second pair of eyes in the Middle East, and Israeli backed AIPAC money runs deep in American politics.

Most low income people were materially better off under Trump, whose pandemic policies resulted in the lowest childhood poverty rate since the 90s. (These welfare policies were cancelled or expired under Biden.)
Dems will still assume 3rd party and non-voters have a strong Biden preference.
- If not for the pandemic, he wouldn't have done any of it. It wasn't a particular position of Trump's to give that money, he just was in the position to do so at a time of crisis.
  
  The intent doesn't change the reality. If your kid only had food to eat because of a Trump policy and you're presented with a choice between him and a nigh-identical ancient piece of shit, which one do you think you're going to pull the lever for?
  
  But how many people are going to see it that way vs just “Trump instated these programs that helped us, Biden took them away.”?
  
  It's not like the pandemic stopped under Biden, we just decided to pretend it did.
  
  Material conditions!

I was banned from two different lemmyworld political coms for being against this kinda shit lol
- well done
- TYFYS

- They got the vacant eyes disturbingly right

Idk tho today's election results look pretty bad for the GOP lol. Just like the midterms did. Its possible that Joe himself will lose the presidency while GOP lose heavily elsewhere though? But like, the GOP is still dealing with a deflated base that got what they wanted in Dobbs and don't care anymore, and continue to run on culture war bullshit that noone actually cares about.
There's also the issue of RFK Jr, who is apparently mostly pulling votes from Trump.
Like yes absolutely 100% the genocide is going to deflate the zoomer vote* that helped Dems out so much in the midterms but I think the GOP is having electoral problems too, not the least of which that they support the Genocide too, which is going to make the whole thing a mess.
*Not to mention the Muslim vote which obviously tanked for good reason, and is a material thing in at least one swing state.
- God RFK has been such a pathetic worm on this issue
  I know he sucks for other reasons but it especially pisses me off that he knows that Sirhan Sirhan is innocent and thus should know that the CIA framed a Palestinian for his father's murder and yet he still supports zionism like a miserable little cuck and both sides this genocide
  Meanwhile he has no problem with actually being antisemitic to jews with his insane covid conspiracies
- It's very easy to imagine democrats having a good election otherwise and just losing a couple of swing states and thus the presidency.
- Yeah I was going to say, the GOP has failed to find a particular angle to go after. I think Trump's legal problems are too confusing for the average chud to care about and it's not enough for them to care about their local politicians, or it's not something that grants them to say racist stuff.
  Also as dire as the culture war is, I do have a gut feeling that it's just not enough to organize around. Conservative voters simply don't care enough. Whether that's because they don't understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they're supposed to hate, I don't know. Transphobic legislation keeps failing when it's up for public referendum. Abortion referendums keep failing to restrict abortion rights as well. Republicans have to keep slamming those through without votes through state supreme courts or legislature. You're right, they're getting what they want with abortion, it's practically illegal in half the country. They're failing to move onto whatever's next.
  I don't really know what the strategy is going to be here. The Republicans really do seem adrift when it comes to having a coordinated base, like I haven't seen it like this since they failed to get interested in Mitt Romney in 2012, or I guess when Bob Dole failed to capture them in 1996.
  
  Conservative voters simply don't care enough. Whether that's because they don't understand, or they have limited exposure to the trans people they're supposed to hate
  I think that's part of it. Trans people are such a minority you can go your whole life without knowingly meeting one if you don't live on a major metro area. What they hate is a bunch of caricatures they see on online social media, but there isn't much place to direct that hate. As opposed to the segregationist south, they had black people in your zip code they could easily walk up to and express their bigotry towards. It was easier to keep the hate flowing cuz there was actually a concrete "other" that was moving into your space. Some CHUD in Nebraska would probably have to drive two hours to find the nearest trans person. Not that they wouldn't but it takes some time to coordinate that shit,
- At the risk of entertaining the lib in me, I do think investing in elections is fine for the left if it's done as supplementary. But I'm surprised the People's Party genuinely has gone absolutely nowhere.
  Republicans are running on brand loyalty alone, and dems are running on being a reaction to the GOP. I would think the People's Party would try to get one small win in a pretty small state like Rhode Island, make the news or something. While I'm not kidding myself and can safely say that only dems or GOP will be relevant on a federal level, I find that there are small wins to be had at the state and local level, and a breath of fresh air would clown on both parties.
  
  Electoralism =/= participating in elections
  Electoralism is treating elections as the primary vehicle for change
  
  Isn't the People's Party a bunch of grifters? I haven't bothered looking too into them, it just seemed like a grift

I'm expecting Islamophobia to become even more ingrained as usual with libs leading the charge and going "If Muslims didn't want Islamophobia maybe they shouldn't have voted for the Muslim ban president 💅"

Nah, havent you heard? The dems won the Kentucky governors race by a few points so absolutely nothing has to change and Biden will breeze to victory in all the swing states polls say hes seriously underwater in

Blaming others for their own cataclysmic failures is just about the only thing that the Dems keep their promise on
- Somehow nothing is ever democrats fault
  
  That's the upside of rule by inaction.
  
  The democratic party cannot fail, it can only be failed.

Where was that tweet about democrats looking themselves in the mirror post 2016 and saying "we gotta get more racist"?
- dems are gonna look themselves in the mirror, take a deep breath and tell themselves 'we gotta get more racist'

Are there even enough of us in this country to swing a fucking vote? Why do we keep getting blamed for everything?
- The biggest voting block in the country and irrelevant at the same time
- Are there even enough of us in this country to swing a fucking vote? Why do we keep getting blamed for everything?
  No. And because we don't have any power or ability to influence the farcical US federal elections we make safe, easy enemies. There isn't much currency in yelling at Republicans. Dems already believe they're illiterate sub-human monsters. But they see leftists as traitors and they can enjoy imagining that they only lost because we stabbed them in the back, so they can righteously vent their anger at people they believe owe them allegiance. It's more emotionally satisfying than the old, stale conflict with the GOP.
  
  Ah, the old harmless "stabbed in the back" narrative. Always ends well.
- Us as in committed leftists with a specific political goal? Probably not.
  Us as in people disgusted by the genocide enough to override any “lesser of two evils” argument? Maybe.
- No, but there are enough third party voters and we’re convenient to blame for that
  
  Half those third party voters are Libertarians tho

BLUE No Matter Genocide

meme post version: https://hexbear.net/post/1027843

This isn't devil's advocate this is parody
I decided to delete the thing I needed to explain and just leave this part.
- Explain that to Arab Americans. Make sure to do it in a welcoming and safe tone.
  
  Imma be real with you, I’m not voting for a literal genocide supporter, regardless of what’s “on the ballot”.
  “You have to vote for Hitler-lite or else Mega-Hitler will win.” I would simply not vote for a Hitler.

Obama had a close election against Romney in 2012, but that was with Obama who has a lot more charisma than the wet noodle that's Biden. Romney isn't really charismatic and the only reason libs like him is because he's "respectable." Trump has genuine charm and anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent a considerable amount of time in rural parts of the US where he's still adored.

I hope the democratic party loses the next thousand elections

This thread makes me think of all the shitty thinga Biden/dems have done.
Whats the latest with the border wall? News came that he was going to contine building it a week or so before israel palestine stuff.
How did libs spin that shit?
- How did libs spin that shit?
  he "had" to because it was earmarked whatever from trump-era legislature. https://piped.video/watch?v=OALjmUlIfMQ
  in reality he could've put up a fight against it / maneuvered out of doing it, but politically he decided not too (or at least i suspect) because abbott, desantis, etc. wouldn't shut the fuck up about the border
  
  Biden's the president. He can set executive branch priorities. He had the option to just stop building the wall. Even if someone found a way to challenge him legally, he's the president, he wouldn't have any consequences.
- Latinos are burnt out from Dems because of empty immigration promises. Every election people try telling them to vote for Dems because the Republicans will deport all of them. Republican wins and makes things harder, but then the Dem comes in and continues policy, often doing it in greater numbers. Then latinos opting out to vote for the president get all these ridiculously racist theories about "machismo" being the reason or how they "identify as white".
  I don't think Americans will ever realize that Latin Americans can be white. They just call all the white ones "white-passing." Even the ones that look more stereotypically European are constantly told they aren't actually latino or of that country.
  Also love when they say Guatemalan-Americans only vote because of indigenous ancestry, as if our country is monocultural.

I don't see why that should concern us. It was annoying to be blamed for 2016 because there was nominally an electoral left that was trying to win over "progressive" liberals. Getting tarred for spoiling the agenda of the party was counterproductive to the goal of improving the agenda of the party. Now that that strategy has failed utterly (largely because the non-voting population could not be convinced that that shit actually mattered) and the champions of the electoral left are riding the Sybian for AIPAC, it doesn't really matter that we're the enemies of the Most Progressive US President in History. Damn right we are. The whole thing's a farce, and we only neutralize all hope of resistance by pretending otherwise.
- That shit was a pain. I was a died-in-the-wool liberal back in the day and I knew enough on history and general sentiment to see Hillary was a fucking evil joke.

I feel the powers that be will not allow Trump to win. If this turns out to be the case, I hope they do this by assassinating him in a spectacular fashion.
- Why? He was great last time around every politician got to do whatever they wanted while every news outlet had record profits for covering a new scandal every single say.
  Meanwhile they got the biggest tax cut for the rich in a lifetime and a generation of control of the Supreme Court.
  
  I am thinking of the whole circus involving him about classified docs and the twenty or so court cases he is involved him.
  I don't know for sure obviously. I was thinking maybe the deep state does not like him because he does weird shit.
- I hope they do this by assassinating him in a spectacular fashion.
  One of his supporters will shoot him in the hopes that he will ressurect like Jesus
- Only way he possibly loses is if he can’t run lol
  
  Only way that's going to happen is if he's dead. Even convicted and thrown in jail he's still going to be more popular than Biden.
- Don't be ridiculous, he'll just walk around with a black eye every now and then. You've just seen it with Scholz.
  "The president fell down some stairs, thankfully he's okay, anyway more weapons to Ukraine and Israel lol"

There's a lot of time between now and then. I'm sure there will be an updated reason it's the left's fault by then. Perhaps even a different genocide!

Isn't Trump is leading in 5/6 swing states in recent polls?
- Hilariously yes, against Biden.
  Even more hilariously "generic unnamed democrat" is doing 13% better than Biden
  
  yeah I mean senile pederastic ethnic-cleansing enabler seems a difficult sell atm tbf. This aint quite the Roman Empire.

Nah he would most likely still win today imo because Trump can't make a meaningful campaign that actualy attacks Biden from the left. The left can't really make an anti-NATO stance that doesn't boil down to real communism(good for movement building but you'll never win at electorialism lol) and anything from the right is just poisoning the well.
But the main point is yeah the left will always be blamed. I can empathize that Bernie was the millennial voters first experience with this but anyone that is old enough to be politically active for the past 8 years doesn't have an excuse to fall for this rhetoric anymore. If you're still giving any shits about what libs say or think and let that affect your own decisions then you are also part of the problem.
- Not running a meaningful campaign was literally Biden's successful strategy. Given that neither party can any longer offer the majority of Americans any improvement in their standard of living, I think we'll increasingly see one term presidents as people just vote against the person they've seen the most of most recently and so dislike the most intensely, i.e. the incumbent
  
  There is a difference between providing it and promising it. The democrats absolutely can still promise a lot of very easy and populist shit. Meanwhile these same very easy policies are pretty much against everything Trump supporters stand for, very easy example most Trumpists hate student debt relief meanwhile Biden can just promise that, "fail" to deliver it and the cycle continues.
  Majority backs student loan debt relief: poll(2022, slightly outdated but closest I could find)
  Eighty percent of Democratic respondents support student loan debt cancellation, while 71 percent of Republicans opposed it. Independents were split, with 44 percent in favor and 42 percent opposed.
  Student debt relief is literaly a 80% Dems in favor vs 80% republicans against split. The Democrats can easily promise and not deliver. Trump can't because their voters don't want it. I mean they do actualy want it but prefer to think as owning the liberal college students.
  Of course the usual mechanics apply, the Dems love the opposition and benefit from being the both sides party i.e promise shit while simultaneously not delivering it to keep the capitalists happy and in control. Biden can lose obviously, but if this mechanic holds I don't think it will be that hard for him.
- Biden will most likely not win. Trump might not even have to run a meaningful campaign, he just has to keep his support while watching Biden’s support slip.

I legit was even planning to vote for Biden in spite of everything just cause of Afghanistan. Yes yes yes I know all of the asterisks and caveats you can give and just take it as how low my standards are.
This shit though...no...not in good conscience. I'll vote but I'm writing someone in. Anyone. I wouldn't endorse Joe Biden, let alone vote for him.

Around when the rumor was that Biden was going to choose to not run again (lawlz) I figured he'd likely lose to Trump.
75/25 or so. But now?
The only way Trump isn't winning is if he either dies or is made legally ineligible for the presidency.
- Didn't he promise not to run again at one point?
  
  Nope, that was pure liberal coping from the beginning. "He's paving the way for new young leadership" was my favorite mantra they were chanting during 2020.
- This comment is funny after the midterm results favoring democrats in most places, including places that Trump won by a large margin before.
  I hate Biden, but it's not like Trump is doing well either. I wish the Democrats would run someone actually good, but they won't and we'll have to deal with that.
  
  Democrats are doing well Biden specifically is eating shit.
  That poll that came out recently with Biden down 5 points in swing states had "generic unnamed democrat" up by 8 points.
  70% of voters said they wished somebody else would be the democratic candidate before he started completely openly supporting genocide.
  He's completely dropped the ball on abortion, Trans rights protections, student loan forgiveness, workers rights and now he's so completely unabashed in his support for Isreal even liberals are starting to notice the contradictions between Ukraine and Palestine.
  It's totally possible that dems win state races and do well in congress but Biden loses.
  Which frankly would be funny having Trump be president but not have enough elected Republicans to do anything.
  Plus then democrats might have to actually either do something or admit it's all show when they suddenly start caring about things like the post office or the concentration camps on the border since trumps president again and they might actually have the votes to possibly do something about it.

Doesn't apply to me because I'm "not a real leftist" lol. We're real leftists when it comes time to blame the left for shit but we're "not real leftists" when it comes time to convince everyone to support establishment Democrats.
Also, its literally an entire calendar year until the election. Trump was at 2% right now in 2015. Polls don't really mean shit rn and I would never underestimate an incumbent.

So long as rfk is running; trump won't win

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