For people who switched to winter time last night, should we end this?

Seems like nonsense to me to change time every six months
- Its rubbish and we should just stay in summertime. Yet another daylight hour stolen in the evening
  
  What the hell, why not stay in standard time? I don't like having to get out of bed while it's still dark outside. It's already bad with everything being dark outside at 8am in winter, doesn't need to be made even worse.
- Just to be pedantic, as I found it really interesting when I realised, it's actually 5 months winter time and 7 months summer.
  
  In the US states that still do this nonsense, it's 8 months on daylight saving time (summer time), and just four months on so-called "standard time." We should just stay on summer time all year at this point.
- Interestingly, British Summer Time is used for 7 months of the year and GMT is used for 5 months. We just changed clocks this morning.
- We should change it everyday by 4-6 minutes or whatever we lose on the progression.

Yes. I'm not particularly bothered which timezone we stay in, just pick one.

Should have ended some 20 years ago.
- Gonna raise that to 40
  
  Gonna raise that to whenever lightbulbs were common in households.

I don't really care which we stick with, but we should pick one, summer time or winter time, and then stick with it. Or split the difference, I don't care. Let's all set the clocks a half-hour off and stay there forever. But the additional complication of changing all clocks and fucking with everyone's rhythms is frankly just cruel.
If YOU want more light in the "morning," YOU wake up at nine rather than eight. If YOU want more light in the evening, YOU go to bed at 9 rather than 10. This doesn't have to be an "all of us" thing.
- Most people doesn't have a choice when to wake up, as they need to get to work.
  Even though I hate that it gets dark sooner, I think we should stay in winter time because AFAIK morning light is important for our health.
  
  This is what collective bargaining power is for.
- If you really care that much about it, you're free to pick one rhythm and stick with it all year through. A work mate of mine did exactly this a few years ago. This doesn’t have to be an “all of us” thing.

I fucking hate the changing of the clock for the season. I wish it was banned across the planet. It's stupid and statistically shows it's bad for traffic, deadly to older people, especially men, and generally bad for businesses.
- Elaborate on "especially men."
  
  Specifically, I'm assuming they're talking about the change in spring when we lose an hour overnight. That morning is pretty deadly, statistically. The lack of sleep causes car accidents, heart attacks, and strokes. The stress lack of sleep puts on the body is no joke, and when it hits most of the population all at once, people die. And I'm assuming men are more likely to suffer from heart attacks maybe?
  
  Statically men have more heart issues in the days following the time change

Yes, we should stay at winter time.
- I think you mean Standard Time?
  Winter time is when the clock is set back one additional hour, ie -2h when compared to Summer Time (a.k.a. Daylight Saving Time).
  
  We call standard time winter time here. I just complained about it to my wife yesterday, that we are NOT switching to winter time. We are switching back to standard time.
  But everybody calls it winter time.
  
  It's weird that it's standard time considering more of the year is spent in summer time.

Yes please. Permanent DST would be nice. I hate it being pitch black at 4pm. Not to mention adjusting sleeping patterns.

Wait, is it not next week?
I do agree that we should end it, and I think most people agree. My part of the world (BC, Canada) is ready to drop it and it is waiting for the US states in our time zone to push it through their gridlocked politics. There's growing pressure to just give up on the US and just do it ourselves. Last I heard, there was bipartisan support in the US to also drop it, but there's always some other mess to clean up or some other partisan thing that gets stuffed into the bill.
As for winter time vs. summer time, I really do not care. Both options will hurt some people and help others.
Pick either one and stick with it
- EU was last night/today (for me), US and Canada is first sunday of november right?
  
  Ah makes sense, even weirder that we do it on different days.
  What's the public sentiment like in the EU, are people close to dropping it?
  
  This is my favourite part of the whole ridiculous parade. For a good two weeks or so all my meetings with US colleagues are just chaos.
- You guys need to just do it. Some moron goes "won't someone think of the children!!1! (Except massacres)" and then we never do it. Canada doing it might actually push us to change.

I would love for CEST to end. It should just stick to whichever timezone is giving you noon when the sun is at it's highest point.

Doesn't work that great in really wide timezones. Where do you measure noon from? The east? The middle?

The middle would be the most logical. Or just pick one. The number is arbitrary anyway

On average I suppose, and of course there's more than just the sun's position to think of. You also want to be in sync with neighboring countries to make sure people don't have to change their clock every time they cross a border.
For where I live, summertime puts the sun at it's highest point at around 13:20 while wintertime is 12:20. My country (Netherlands) is small enough not to have any significant difference between east and west.
But when you look over the wider timezone:

Location	Wintertime	Summertime
Fisterra, Spain (most western)	13:20	14:20
Paris	12:34	13:34
Rome	11:53	12:53
Berlin	11:50	12:50
Warsaw	11:23	12:23
Nowosady, Poland (most eastern)	11:09	12:09
Vadsø, Norway (even more eastern)	10:44	11:44

I took those most eastern and western as an estimate, but the difference would be negligible with other nearby towns. Time of highest point is for today.

It's a big timezone when you look at the differences. During summer time the most extreme differences from sun's highest point would be between +00:09 - +02:20 hours. For wintertime it would be -00:51 - +1:20 hours, with the average much closer to noon. So yes, for my timezone, I would say wintertime is the best choice if you want noon to match the sun's highest point.

Oh no... see what you did, you brought out the nerd in me :)

edit
So I just noticed Norway has that little strip even further to the east. To make it completely fair, if you take Vadsø in account, the difference would be -00:16 - +02:20 to -01:16 - +01:20 hours. With winter time noon, on average, most closely in sync with the highest point of the sun.

I prefer standard time.
If anything, it should be inverse. I want more sunlight during winter years.
We all should just move to Arizona where they don't follow DST.
- There's only one way to get more sunlight during winter days: Move closer to the equator or, better yet, to the opposite hemisphere.
  Maybe we should implement Morning Daylight Saving Time and Afternoon Daylight Saving Time, where we all change our clocks at 1 pm every day back to 12 noon, and then again at midnight we set them to 1 am. Hmm. We could do even better: shift by 2 or 3 hours every day, and so we'd get that much more productivity out of our employees, hu hu hu!
  
  Let's change our clocks every day so it's always sunrise at 6:25.
- I think you're confused.
  "Standard time" is the "fall back" during winter. At the center of the time zone, the sun is at its highest point at noon. Depending on latitude, we have as little as 8 to 10 hours of daylight, with 4 to 5 hours before noon and 4 to 5 hours after noon. So sunrise is between 7 and 8 AM at the center of the time zone, and sunset is between 4 and 5 PM.
  "Daylight Savings Time" is the "spring forward" during summer. The sun is at its highest point at 1PM in the center of the timezone. We have 14 to 16 hours of daylight. That's 7 to 8 hours before and after 1PM, (6 to 7 hours before noon) or a sunrise between 5 and 6 AM, and a sunset between 8 and 9 PM. (8 to 9 hours after noon.)
  If we maintained DST through the winter, sunrise would be as late as 8 to 9 AM on the shortest day of the year, (December 21st) and sunset would be between 5 and 6 PM.
  
  I want the clock to move forward an hour in the winter so that the sun sets later during the evening, since that's the time I'm most productive, lol. I'm perfectly fine with 8-9 AM sunrises.
  I'm discussing all this in fun. Nothing to be taken seriously here.

No, figuring out which of my clocks is fucked was a nice tradition, and now I also get to manually restart my poorly written python daemons.
But really, yes, we should.
- Just use an exorcism to deal with those daemons.

Oh, thats why my cat was being extra annoying this morning

For whatever reason I read time as tires. And I'm like. No this is stupid the roads would be damaged.
Then I reread it 2-3 times then I got it. And I agree we need to stop changing our clocks.
- Sounds like someone needs that extra hour of sleep!

My youngest has been awake since 5am send help.
- I'm fine with keeping the time change every so often as long as they can program my 2-year old alarm clock to also give me an extra hour of sleep when it happens.

I don't really care which one, but end this nonsense. Switching every 6 months is so last century

I couldnt care less honestly. We live in the 21st century and All my clocks switch automaticly and thats all i care about
- I envy you. My microwave, oven, car and others all apparently have to have a clock but aren't capable of switching automatically.
  I'm not sure why, in the 21st century, we have clocks that can tell the wrong time.

Yes, I can live with UTC, GMT, Pacific, a single global timezone. I don't care at this point - just stop making me feel out of wack twice a year!

No I really enjoy it being dark at 4pm. /s

Yes I don't see the point besides creating global confusion and making me Chang the hour on my alarm
- Don't you see? If you cut an hour off at the start of the day, and add it on to the end of the day, you end up with a longer day!
- I don't understand what's hard to understand. The timing to avoid starting your day in significant darkness all winter would means a very early sunrise and short evenings in the summer.
  The logical solution is to change our schedules to partially follow the sunrise, rather than keeping everything static relative to midday.
  We could all coordinate changing every timetable and appointment, or we can instead change one single thing to get the same effect.
  IMO a theoretical ideal would be to fix the time of sunrise. But I'm practice that would be a huge PITA only workable through tech.
  Places closer to the equator get nothing much out of it.

I hate changing the time, but I'll be honest, as a night owl, I kinda love how early it gets dark

Yes we should end winter

I'm living in a shitty, unsafe area. DST in the fall means it gets darker sooner, not safe to go out, get stuff done. The pepper spray comes out earlier. By December, gets dark at 430pm, and I'm like wtf, seriously?

It should have ended years ago. It costs money, but worse, it also kills people.
The EU has decided to drop the switch, and asked the members to decide whether they want to stay at CET (Central Europen Time) or CEST (Central European Summer Time). That was many years ago. Nothing happened.

I don't care. I am totally fine with switching time
- I care, time switching is great.
  We currently have to get up in the dark and we're about to get an hour of relief, but if we stuck on winter time sunset would max out at a depressing 7:25pm in summer while sunrise would be a pointless 4am.

I didn't change my clocks back, I think that happens next week for me, but I'm over the shit. I'd love it if we could just decide to stop doing it.
However I don't want to be the developer that deals with that change.

No wonder I feel like I missed an hour of sleep. I never remember when this shit happens now that every clock I own is connected to the internet and changes automatically.
That's really the only thing I hate about it. If we didn't do it, eventually it would be dark at noon.
- In my country, we "fall back" in the fall and get an extra hour of sleep. Springtime is when we lose an hour. Is it the opposite where you are?
  
  No I'm just a dumbass and got the mnemonic backwards. "Fall forward, spring back!"

Keep this forever and just skip summer
- Did you just resolve global warming and summer heat waves ?
  
  I will gladly accept the Nobel prize for this.

The clock doesn’t yet say it’s winter time, but Saturday hit 83°, like summer, Sunday rained all day, like Spring, and Thursdaywill be our first day below freezing, like winter

Yes we should stay in summer time. It was already getting dark super early and now it's dark at like 5pm

Honestly no, though I really think this is a factor of how close to a pole you are. It's hard enough to deal with the dark coldness, not getting bright til like 10am would be even worse.

I have a severe circadian rhythm disorder- yes absolutely lol, daylight savings destroys me every year
My time hasn't changed yet, but I'm not looking forward to it

I have not noticed a difference yet...

DST in the winter would suck so much. Think of all the worsened seasonal depressive disorders (aka winter depression). If the alternative would mean an increase in suicide numbers I will gladly endure the annoyance of changing my clocks twice a year.
Then again if we could abolish DST - yeah I'd be down for that. But too many people think getting rid of standard time will make our winters more like our summers. But it won't. It will make them worse. Our biology isn't meant to wake up three hours before sunrise.
- I don't understand -- wouldn't it be better to have an extra hour of daylight in the evening through winter? For me, the most depressing thing about the clocks falling back is that the sun is setting an hour earlier, not that it's rising an hour earlier.
  
  Waking up and starting the day in darkness is even more detrimental to mental health than spending the evening in the dark, because light stimulation in the morning is what actually aligns our inner clock. DST all year round would shift our circadian rhythm and social time further apart, worsening sleeping problems and affective disorders.
  But don't take my word for it - there are many smarter people than me who actually researched this. For example:
  https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197
  https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9208433/

It would be cool if we all commited sucide
- U first, i follow
  
  On the count of 3?

Daylight savings is a fucked up idea. People that want to end the practice but stay with summer time are fucking idiots.
There’s a fucking resason why we call 12 “12”. Stop fucking with it!
- It comes after 11?
- Do you live on the western edge of your time zone?

No. It might be fine for people down closer to the equator but for me getting up at 7:00 in the morning with pitch black. Now it's daylight.
You can all get lost with the oh no I have to change the clock by 1 hour and it's confusing. No you don't practically every clock in the world will do it automatically you don't even need to be told about it. And the clock in your car is always wrong anyway.

I feel like everyone's complaining too much about it, it really doesn't matter that much and I think people only care because they're told to. I don't take this position seriously it sounds like a joke.