Europe is looking to fight the flood of Chinese electric vehicles. But Europeans love them
Europe is looking to fight the flood of Chinese electric vehicles. But Europeans love them
Lol, a car industry that hasn't innovated in years is suddenly threatened by innovation. Still, fuck cars. We should make them nigh obsolete with better public transport.
They have an electric suv under $20k usd
Sure, it’s probably gonna last like a mid-90’s Kia, but for the price it’s pretty nice.
At the rate of industrial investment into this tech coupled with some places punishing gas cars, a cheap car that spans the gap from now until affoedable and better EVs is the perfect prescription, not to mention we havent stopepd having some form or financial crises since covid.
I think it's debatable. Is it really good if all the energy that went into making the vehicle goes to waste because it only lasts 50k miles? At that point you're basically building disposable vehicles.
I think the sweet spot for this period is in hybrids that allow people to run on electricity around town but also have the ICE as a fallback for long/extended trips. The main hesitancy with EVs is range anxiety (ignoring high prices) and hybrids solve that issue while still retaining a lot of the benefits of an EV.
If I was in the market for a new car, I’d strongly consider them because of the cost even knowing the quality may be low. It’s still an EV and would hold its value for now. It’s a good alternative to the slim-pickings we have here in the states
The solid state batteries that seem to be clearly on the verge of mass production within the next few years are going to make everything they're making now horribly obsolete. I've been considering a EV for my next vehicle and will definitely be waiting now.
The political class trying to protect the interests of the billionaire class. You grow up under this capitalist system and all you hear is "competition is driving innovation" but the moment true competition comes knocking on your door, you lock yourself into a room.
What is Europe if not Europeans?
Government trying to steer a herd of impulsive and selfish citizens into doing what makes sense for the collective (or what they believe makes sense (or what they're trying to convince us they believe makes sense))
I’m not entirely sure why they want to fight low prices? The article doesn’t say why EU and others shouldn’t be able to afford e-vehicles
Would they not have to be, if the owner were to register them in the country?
The Chinese cars by Chinese manufacturer are generally getting excellent safety rating. Most of them get 5 stars on NCAP crash test.
On the other hand the Renault Zoe, one of the best selling European car by a european manufacturer got a 0 star on the same crash test. It's not an isolated case, the e-c3 got a 0 star on the latin american test, I'm waiting to see what will be the score in Europe.
I'm not saying that Chinese car are better but the bad reputation is not justified anymore. Europeans automakers should get their shit together if they want to survive.
low prices
They're fighting Chinese market manipulation that is specifically designed to make the world dependent on them and lowers wages across the world by creating massive market imbalances. Every nation with two brain cells should ban the import of all Chinese vehicles and eventually all Chinese industry entirely.
Chinese electric car makers get absolutely massive state subsidies. There are companies like Nio that have never made a single dollar of profit. Nio has been losing money on every single car they sell, to the point where they've been losing almost a billion dollars in the last quarter alone.
However, China doesn't care. The state keeps financing these companies, because if they can undermine European and American auto makers to the point where they're simply unable to compete and maybe even completely collapse, then Chinese car makers will be the only ones left in the market, and they'll be able to charge any price they want.
And realistically, which American or European car maker will be able to compete with a multitude of Chinese competitors that all can afford to lose billions and billions every year without batting an eye?
So that's why they want to fight "low prices."
What article? That's an ad.
As long as safety and environmental regulations in China are lower than in Europe, it will always be cheaper to produce there.
Is it racist to say I'd never buy a Chinese car just on principle?
If it's because you hate Asians, then yes. If it's because you believe China makes bad products or because of their unethical practices, then no.
It could be all three since racists tend to think China makes bad products and have unethical practices because they are Chinese due to conflating race and culture.
I am kinda Asian LOL.
It's just that most non-electronic Chinese manufactured stuff is just terrible build quality.
Only if it had something to do with race. If it's because you don't think their manufacturing standards are high enough to feel safe that wouldn't be racist per se.
Electric cars are so much simpler than ICEs...they're almost "phones with wheels"...so IF you happen to "trust" "buy" their phones, it's not a huge jump to cars...but it's a jump 😅 , just not on principle.
Depends if it is based on culture/race or the country's economic and other policies.
No. Chinese cars have been a thing in New Zealand for decades now and they are HORRIFIC. They import the good version for safety testing then promptly switch out the steel for cheaper “Chinesium,” and airbags for cheaper versions. No one should ever buy one until long term reliability studies are conducted. I will eat my hat if they’re anything other than terrible.
Yeah the "great wall" Ute's et cetera have a terrible reputation here. They're bottom tier fleet vehicles.
Campers & trailers are the same. Too thin to be repaired.
State literally calls itself communist. (Operates more like a fascist state than a communist one)
Conducts ever more of its industry through the state and strictly controls the banks and loans.
Exercises huge subsidies across the entire economy which is visible through their massive and growing imbalance between their internal consumption and export.
"You only say it's not capitalist because they aren't white"
No I say they aren't capitalist because they aren't capitalist.
China is closer to neo-mercantilism due to the level if direct state involvement in private business.
As a nationalist economic policy, neo-mercantilism integrates well with the fascist economic model, particularly in this age when the masses are so accustomed to foreign goods that they might find the explicit notion of autarky alienating.
And what do you call an authoritarian ethnic state that has co opted capital to ensure and spread state control over public and private life?
And why should I, a European consumer, care if China has a communist economy or not?
Same shit to me. You live your entire life under capitalism being lied to about how "competition drives innovation" and suddenly when competition knocks on your door, you lock yourself in.
This reads like a fluff piece. BYD doesn’t even rank in poplar brands and models in Europe.
Maybe that's because VW & co. are similiar to a Käfer under the hood.
By pricing their models competitively, right?
...right?
Exactly.
Europeans like Chinese electric vehicles because they are affordable.
Meanwhile European manufacturers are probably pushing behind the scene to restrict the Asian competitors on the market so they can decide what price is right.
In the next months in France they will reduce the subsidies for Electric Vehicle with a poor CO2 bill like imported Chinese cars.
So even less people will get to afford EVs.
I don't think this is just about cheap Chinese labor importing cheap Chinese cars to Europe. It's also about Europe ignoring the importance of battery tech and manufacturing for decades and suddenly acting all surprised that we are not competitive.
How VW, one of/the largest car manufacturers in the world, turns out the overpriced shit EVs it does, yeah... No wonder people are looking elsewhere
Covid also really did a number on the car market (like so many others), probably take another 2-4 years before the used market gets anywhere back to normal.
this is why big business love's regulations
Stellantis just released the e-C3. It is priced competitively.
I thought this was a new brand of cars I never heard of but no, you used the name of the corporate group instead of Citroen, confusing! Looks nice though, modern Citroen are really nice.