EHRC commissioner calls for trans people to accept reduced rights
EHRC commissioner calls for trans people to accept reduced rights
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EHRC commissioner calls for ‘period of correction’ on trans rights after legal ruling
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The supreme court were very clear that their ruling was not a reduction in trans rights, but a clarification of existing legislation.
It's pretty clear that the EHRC is purposely misrepresenting the SC's conclusion, and pushing dubious recommendations to government departments.
She's a TERF that the Tories put in place (Boris Johnson, 2020). It's utterly absurd that the head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission is against equality.
Her contract ends in November this year. I hope she's swapped with someone more appropriate for the role.
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I don't really know what would change whenever you say "women" in the equality act refers to biological. Isn't it already against the act to discriminate against someone for being trans anyway?
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There's a bunch of women specific legislation in the equality act as well.
For example, it allows for the existence of women only spaces which include gyms, refuges and toilets.
If you say that women is used in its biological sense, you're saying that trans men can use these spaces but trans women can't.
However, the ehrc is going full terf and saying that despite the ruling that women is used in its biological sense, they think that all trans people should be prohibited from using some of these spaces.
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The supreme court were very clear that their ruling was not a reduction in trans rights, but a clarification of existing legislation.
That's exactly what the woman is saying. Did you read the article before commenting?
It's pretty clear that the EHRC is purposely misrepresenting the SC's conclusion
This was not the EHCR, this was the EHCR commissioner talking in a personal capacity. (As was made very explicit in the article.)
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Yes, I did read the article. I notice you've completely failed to address my main point - that the EHRC is purposely pushing anti-trans advice to government bodies and dubiously using the SC's verdict as vindication to do so, despite the SC's verdict not actually changing anything.
I know it wasn't the head of the EHRC that spoke in this instance, but she is the one who runs the EHRC and what they do/say. She sets the culture. She's the boss.
This commissioner is talking in this way ("accept it and get on with it, trans people!") because it's the message that comes from the top.
Like, it's not a sheer coincidence that this spokesperson's professional view aligns with her boss's. One caused the other.
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The EHRC are political appointments that were selected for agreeing with the politics of the previous government.
That's why they sound like anti trans activists.
The whole thing needs to be burnt down. There's no room for political appointees in legal bodies.
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When North Carolina and Mississippi passed anti-LGBT laws, that mandated trans people use the toilets of their assigned sex among other things, the Foreign Office issued travel advice warning LGBT tourist against travel there. Reindorf is now trying to introduce the same here and has the gall to tell trans people to stop overreacting to them becoming second class citizens by her hand.
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Yeah I'm not gonna change what bathroom I go to because a bunch of fascist nonpeople called a sham trial about it.
I went to the women's loos, changing rooms etc. since I DIY'd the very hormones and puberty blockers the papers fearmonger about as a minor and will continue to use women's loos etc. now that I've had the 'permanent irreversible surgery' the public hates so much as an adult.
I had it on the NHS of course, and as a work immigrant from outside of Europe and yes - I paid the double taxes that subsidize the welfare of this sinking hateful little island for years, so I absolutely deserve it and it's just me getting some of my money's worth by accessing the appropriate healthcare for my condition, and now my condition is well treated, almost cured, and I'm doing better than ever.
If you're upset by this - cope and seethe. I'm not going anywhere. I'm a citizen now.
I advise all other trans women to do the same.
If my condition makes me a criminal then I'm a criminal. If this is radical to you, then I'm a radical.
Self-ID was/is supported by ex-Tory MP Theresa May btw. It's fairly common sense. So is NHS funding for healthcare. So is hormones and PBs for minors.
Edit: whoever replied to me, I must've blocked you in a previous thread, unsurprisingly. Doubt I'm missing much.
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nonpeople
O_o
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hahahahahaha
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Can't this be solved by requesting that trans people use the disabled bathroom? Or maybe allowing places to request that. And maybe mandating that a gender neutral bathroom be made available (can also double as a disabled one)
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That's not really fair on disabled people, their facilities are already limited and having a bunch of non-disabled people add strain will only exasperate that. Also, forcing trans people to use a special trans toilet will also out them in public and potentially make them less safe.
This is also such a non-issues, trans people have been using the toilets of their gender identity for literal decades and it's only become an issue now, and only because of well funded activist groups, not any issues in the real world.
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I'd say it would be the implication that trans people are disabled which is the most problematic part of the disabled toilet suggestion. In terms of practicalities I don't think there are enough trans people in the UK to cause significant queues at disabled toilets.
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I don't think transgender people are plentiful enough that disabled facilities will be overwhelmed
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Or we could just make all bathrooms gender neutral and stop obsessing about what genitals people are born with. It really doesn’t matter, it’s none of our business.
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May be a bit more expensive to do that, but I have been places where this is the case
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Misleading title, they’re apparently not reducing rights, they’re communicating that the rights have not changed, but assumptions were incorrectly made and it ‘feels like reduced rights’. It’s not a nice thing to learn and needs to be handled carefully and compassionately, even a policy to be permissive and encourage to normalise what the assumed increase in rights were, working towards making them actual rights. But yeah, antagonistic headlines as always.
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That's the narrative, but trans rights have been taken away. Ask anyone who is being forced to out themselves by going to their "sex assigned at birth" bathroom, or being forced to use the accessible toilets.
That's in no small part due to the EHRC's "interim guidance" that in no way follows the law.
Not to speak of the increased trans-spotting, and the fact women can now be searched by male police officers (trans or cis) for being suspected of being trans.
And every effort is being made to pass more laws to make things worse, such as making registries of trans people, outing them to their employers and potential employers.
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And every effort is being made to pass more laws to make things worse, such as making registries of trans people
I'm curious about this, could you possibly provide a source?
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That’s my point about permissiveness, if the rights weren’t there about self identifying, but everyone’s ok with it, then it feels like more rights, which may or may not be supported in law. But then when a lack of support in law is being enforced by bad feeling alone, people who want to cry about who’s using which toilet, then the end result is that it feels like a loss of rights. I think it’s a bad thing, but I also understand that in law, being able to do something without a fuss, and then later not being able to, is nothing to do with rights unless the law actually changed.
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