Tesla Slumps Below 50% Share of California's Electric Car Market
Tesla Slumps Below 50% Share of California's Electric Car Market
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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Wagamaga on 2025-04-19 17:06:58+00:00.
Aptera can’t start shipping soon enough. Especially in sunny places like California. Drink Tesla’s milkshake. Drink it all up.
Rivian is ready.
Rivian is great, but really pricey and requires charging. Aptera is solar powered (or at least charges up to 50 miles/day on solar power alone). That’s what makes it exciting.
What I've learned from insightful interactions in this thread is that Teslas are in fact the best car in existence, bar none. This whole situation about Elon Musk deciding to speak up as a fascist is just all very unfortunate. Other than the fascism thing, the only nits with Tesla is the image, and the countless broken promises, deceit and outright fraud should be ignored because other companies lie and cheat, too.
Musk already got what he wanted. He bought Trump, and Trump will give Palantir every ounce of government data to analyze, which was likely a sticking point for Palantir to cement them as the only viable product for the US governments future military applications. Once pandoras box is open for classified data its a little bit hard to close it, especially once they gain a dependence on it.
Palantir then buys his crappy xAI platform that recently bought Twitter.
I refuse to believe that it was over 50%
This is only electric car market share.
Musk really shot himself in the foot. He deserves it.
head next plz
No, but don't you understand? Tesla is not a car company, it's an AI company. They were just making cars while developing AI systems. So it's fine if they stop selling cars. So just keep buying TSLA stock and everything will work out great!
~Elmo
The new International Scout truck looks pretty cool thou
Good.
The Bay Area is probably the only thing keeping that company alive. Every stoplight you pull up to there has at least a couple Teslas
I’m outside Boston and I see a lot here as well…
I know a lot of people who bought teslas before musk became a full blown oligarch and feel uncomfortable about it
When they're up for renewal, they won't be replaced with Teslas.
Well, less than 50% will, maybe. Still a lot of people buying shitty cars apparently.
...and even those are likely pre-ElonSeigHeil purchases.
Even in iowa you see them all over. There are so many drivers any car make other than the most exclusive will be seen soon if you fixate on it (read look).
Stastics show tesla is a tiny brand by market share. However they are wer the only ev brand until reciently so people focus on them.
And that’s really the only reason I have one - it was the only long range electric car available when I bought it. Now I would choose any of the many other options first.
Tesla has basically only two models and even those two look quite samey, one is just more bloated, ao ofc you see them everywhere
I see a cyber truck almost every day. It makes no sense. They aren't even like the same one.
This belongs in uplifting news
0% would be uplifting. This is still way too many people supporting a piece of shit.
Too true.
Just imagine if there wasn't a crazy tariff on Chinese cars the figure would be even lower. BYD are making some great cars
BYDs are everywhere now in Australia. Not sure what alternative brands are available in the US, is it just Rivian?
And other Chinese brands!. The MG4 is super popular in Australia too. Can get it for about $38k AUD ($25k USD).
Even if Tesla wasn't tarnished by association with Musk, they have absolutely nothing at the budget end of the market. ie for buyers that traditionally bought corollas, little Mazdas and Hyundai's.
And BYD has the whole range, if I want a luxury sedan the BYD Seal goes toe to toe with the model 3.
I think China is going to eat everyone's lunch here in the same way Japan did in the 70s/80s, and Korea went in even cheaper in the 90s and 00s (how many Hyundai Excels/Accents were there in Australia in late 90s early 00s).
On the more affordable end around here I see a lot of electric cars from Ford, Chevrolet, Kia, and Hyundai around here, and to a lesser extent Volkswagen. On the high end it’s mostly Mercedes-Benz and BMW, sometimes Porsche. Once in a while I’ll see Rivian but they don’t have a dealership in our state. Even more rarely I’ll see Polestar, which does have a dealership in a city at the other end of the state, and at least one person here has a Lucid Air.
Edit: also on the high end, there’s at least one Hummer EV driving around here.
Are you asking if Rivian is the only company besides Tesla selling electric cars in the US?
No, nearly all major manufacturers sell EVs. Something like 25 brands.
Edit: although a few of those may still only be selling plug-in hybrids. I know Alfa Romeo is one, for example.
Rivian & the 2 or 3 models the big manufacturers have. I see way more hybrids than full electrics in my area.
I believe there was a 100% tariff in place pre-Trump meltdown on Chinese EVs in the U.S, making them less viable in that market. The EU also tariffs them heavily, which is quite a pity.
rivian isnt even that widespread , and they are still testing some models. i can see them going for IONIQ 5, maybe mercedes, or bmw.
Ford has at least one now, I think VW does as well
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In Europe Tesla isn't even #1 on EV anymore, they have been surpassed by VAG aka Volkswagen Group.
Depending on how you compare, they are probably a little bit more expensive, but also higher quality.
but also higher quality
That's a low bar.
hur, hur, you said VAG
Glad I'm not the only full grown child reading the thread
Not that kind, we know because Elon hasn't propositioned it
These guys are FAKE NEWS and Need to be DEPORTED for Hurting ELON MUSKS FEELINGS!
I have duly upvoted your obvious sarcasm.
Same
Another potential Tesla alternative to add to the list: https://www.telotrucks.com/
As an European i don't understand at all those open trucks. The back side is completely wasted space, is unusable, stuff will get stolen when you park (or even at the traffic light), or will get soaked in rain. It also lowers aerodynamic efficiency. That one time in my life when i would need to move a fridge or a mattress i could just rent it for 3 hours
Much of America is rural, and pick-up trucks are extremely useful on a daily basis in that world. Then country music made it a metaphor for masculinity, and dopey suburbanites embraced it to enhance their personal brand image as tough guys.
I mean, you can always hook a trailer to a normal car or something like a Subaru Outback if you're going off-road. That's what people do here. Monday to Friday they commute in their normal, affordable, not extremely huge car and on Saturday the trailer comes out.
As an American I've never heard of a place so dangerous that things get stolen from the back at a traffic light. I know carpenters who leave all their tools in the back when they go to bed and never have a problem. Maybe you need to clean up the crime problem in your country. There are pros and cons to a van vs truck. That you come in on one side does not make the other side wrong, it just means you have lack of vision to understand theirs.
Have you ever tried to rent a truck? I know many people who tried and discovered the place was all out that day. Then when you find one read the fine print - often you cannot haul your fridge in one. Mean while because I own my truck it is there when I need to do something, no thinking required.
They sell 2 types of covers for the back that solve this. It really depends on what you’re doing. People that are camping or constantly working on projects need that kind of open setup.
Enough with the trucks and SUVs. I'm not buying an EV until I can get a 2 door sports convertible with rack and pinion steering and double wishbone suspension. I don't want to drive a tank of a vehicle with vague, floaty handling. I want a small, light, and nimble EV that's fast as fuck and corners like a dream. For under $30K USD.
It is hard to get a light EV when the batteries themselves are around 1/10 the energy density of gasoline and people want them to have a longer range than a gas car to make up for charging so you end up with a battery that’s 500-1000lbs. To put that into perspective a Miata weighs around 2000lbs
Look at Telo, their "truck" is the size of a Mini Cooper but with a full 8 ft bed. And it seats 5. That's incredibly compelling.
...my mazda 2 outhandles my MX-5s and is the only car i've driven which keeps pace with my elise; we've been waiting for an electric subcompact hatchback for about ten years now but the stateside market keeps doing everything it can not to offer me one...
I'm rocking a kei truck for landscaping and home reno projects, and it still uses more gas than I'm happy with. I'd love for someone to make an electric truck that isn't a massive behemoth intended to prove something about my masculinity. Just give me a clean energy box bed to haul my lumber and dirt.
So much this. Closest we get seems to be a Prius. :(
Im personally looking forward to Edison EV conversions.
The ability to take a vehicle I already have and turn it into an EV or hybrid would be amazing.
I know they’re a while from full production, but I see that as a win. So many of these EVs are having quality issues because they’re being shit out onto the market as fast as humanly possible. I’d rather a company actually take the time to do R&D, test things thoroughly, and then release a product.
Oh neat, this is basically an electric Kei truck. The front looks a little weird with the wheels so far forward. Reminds me of a golf cart. I can't really complain though, I'd love a small practical truck.
Huh, I didn't think it was possible to out-ugly the cybertruck
It's no worse than some of the stuff Nissan has come out with over the years. Remember the cube?
The problem with the Tesla truck is that it is ugly without purpose, all the other oddly designed vehicles look the way they do because they have a particular unique feature (been small, having sliding minivan doors on a vehicle otherwise two small for them, having gull wing doors, removing a-pillars from the design, etc), but the cyber truck just looks like that to be contrarian.
It may be ugly, but it's tiny and very functional. I'm very tempted to make that my commuter and occasional hauling stuff vehicle.
after what he has done to californias fast rail system, with the hyperloop scam, he deserves much more. he kept it long enough until trumps admin blocked any funding for it, through ELAINE CHAO.
California has done enough to kill that proejct even without Elon/Trump. For the amount of time and money invested they should be operating the entire line from San Diego to Oregon as of a few years ago.
Womp womp.
Keep it up Cali! FUCK EM!
🖕Tesla
It's crazy that one manufacturer being below 50% market share is news.
They had near 100% EV market share just a few years back.
Losing half the market in 3-4 years is a huge change for any company, even if some of it was inevitable as rivals caught up and suprassed their offerings.
ear 100% EV market share just a few years back.
in cali, ev is big here.
At some point prices will get so low that it'll make sense to buy a Tesla and rework the body so no one knows it's a Tesla.
They're already selling at virtually no markup. They're also old, very mature production lines. There's not much more price drop to be had, unless Tesla starts selling them at a loss.
Well either they sell them at a loss or they just let them sit on lots forever.
Tesla would rather recoup some revenue than just scrap all their remaining inventory.
Even at these lower prices, Tesla makes more money on their EVs than their competitors. That's part of why the others haven't been able to expand and compete as quickly. Expanding an expensive vehicle becomes a bigger liability as you have less pricing room. GM is only planning to have their first EV profitable year this year, and I'll believe it when I see it.
The Cybertruck is probably another story though, I don't know if that's profitable at the lower than expected sales rate.
Edit: E.g the Bolt everyone loves from GM never made GM money. That's why they didn't sell more. They did learn from it though so it wasn't a total loss for them.
Good, fuck those poorly made vehicles.
Elon: "and I took that personally..."
Slumpers like to slump....slump....slump.
