California workers will get five sick days instead of three under law signed by Gov. Newsom

A good start, but five days is still a laughable amount. That's literally one illness, one time being sick.

laughs in german 🤣

Meanwhile in Germany...

You're legally entitled to six weeks of continuous sick leave paid by your employer, after which your health insurer will take over the costs. If you've had sick leave for the same illness multiple times in the same year, these days will be accumulated. After six weeks of regular paid sick leave, you’ll receive Krankengeld (lit. 'sick money') for a maximum of 90 percent of your wage after taxes for up to 72 weeks.

The US Federal Government offers 13 paid sick days a year (that rollover indefinitely)...and between 13 and 26 vacation days (depending on service time)...and all federal holidays off paid. It's not quite on the level of Europe, but it's a damn sight better than most of the rest of the country.

What kind of success is that? Asking this coming from a country where we have 6 weeks of sick days before the income is covered by the health care system.

five fucking sick days is still COMICALLY AND DISGUSTINGLY low. FUCK this out of control capitalism bs

From the headline I thought it's changing from 3 per month to 5 per month. And I thought, good for you California. Then I read it's per year. What the fuck is wrong with you all?

Wait. You guys don't get more than 5 days a year??

If its true I made the right decision to move in UK rather than US.

Wow, five whole days!? Fuck off.

Oh thank goodness! a whole extra TWO DAYS! Can ya spare it?

the fact that we have a system in place where you can run out of sick days at all is disgusting.

In Denmark theres no set amount of sick days per year.

I was at a job that had sick "periods", like being sick once could stretch several days, right? Thats still just being sick 1 time.

Surprised CA is behind the curve so much on this. Washington gives an hour for every 40 worked which amounts to 5.5 days per year if you are working a 40 hour work week. I think that was passed like a decade ago.

Can employers say you can use your pto for sick time or does it have to be in addition to pto?

From what kind of sickness they expect to recover in 5 days? Cut finger?

Five days? Even a lot of smaller, unregulated businesses here in the Phillipines offer way more than that.

LoL that's still so few... it's a step in the right direction but also I would argue a huge amount of employees over there are likely contractor tech workers who if my contract is anything to go off of.... literally don't get any sick days just infinite unpaid days off that they don't actually want you to take any of unless the company needs to save a few dollars. I haven't seen a doctor in years and pretty sure I have a cancer spot on my leg.... but oh well don't have insurance that is any good so I'll just die I guess and my dad and incubator can be upset their one good kid failed to make it rich and support either of them.

This country fuckin sucks lets gooo

When this happened several years back and they gave us two sick days, our company just went ahead and shifted two of our PTO days to sick days.

wait, that's per year ?

What happens if you are sick more than that?

Too many folks are still having to choose between skipping a day’s pay and taking care of themselves or their family members when they get sick,” Newsom said in a statement announcing his action.

Cool but let's not forget what he did earlier this week. He vetoed a bill that would have allowed striking workers unemployment benefits. All he had to do was sign it

And please don't @me with 'perfect being the enemy of good' kinda responses, it was a true slam dunk for workers and unions (unlike this pittance) and he blocked it..

Good move from Gavin.

Not even enough to cover one covid infection (and you can get infected once a month)

Should be at least onc a month. Good start though

There we go! First he implemented a higher minimum wage and now adding sick time. Solid progress with the state legislators!

It's beyond fucked up that you losers are complaining about this. Only 5 days....wa wa wa.

This is an improvement. It's better than it was previously. We're making progress. You morons act like everything needs to be perfect the first time or it's pointless, y'all sound like Republicans trying to stop a bill FFS. This shifts things more in favor of the worker....for now, we can push for more once this becomes baked into our society. Like what's happened with workers rights for a hundred years.

Baby steps I suppose. Currently I have 11 guaranteed and further based on company discretion. Not something i lose sleep over.

Hooray! America is saved!

Here in Argentina is 3 months or year if you've been working 5 years or less, 6 months if you've been working more than 5 years.

It's not uncommon (but not required by law) some reduction of pay for time extensions.

I get sweet fuck all for being sick. Unpaid time off.

Ok, I understand how sick days work in USA, and while I dislike the idea, I get it from that point of view.

However... carrying over sick days?! That's where it fails to make any sense. Rewarding people who are not sick.. by allowing them to be more sick? Thanks for nothing I guess. Wouldn't it make more sense to give extra sick days to the people who are more sick than others? Accruing sick days will obviously result in people wanting to use their sick days.

So this system really encourages people to advantage of the system, and the whole thing is soo far away from actually wanting to minimize sick days.

The proper way to minimize sick days is to let sick people stay the fuck away. Even if you have to pay them to stay away, that cost will be recouped by all the other people who don't get sick due to some jackass creeping into the office while being sick, because he can't afford to stay at home.

By having a fixed no. of 5 sick days and encouraging people to use 5 sick days, you'll obviously have 5 sick days for every employee. And then some for when they're actually sick.

I am allowed unlimited paid sick days, but yet I have less than 5 sick days annually. Probably closer to zero. Except for covid two years ago which took 3 (working) days and a weekend and was fully reimbursed by the government to my employer anyway.

The way this is done generally is that when someone has been sick for more than a few days, the government will refund up to the unemployment rate to the employer, so they can maintain the employment relationship without having to worry about massive costs. This is a thousand times better for employers and the state and the employees than having to terminate and employ staff constantly due to some artificial "no. of sick days".

Meanwhile my colleague managed to get 40 days paid leave + 30 days paid vacation last year. We're in Germany. Now you say: nice for him. But not really. Someone had to do all the work he couldn't do in those 40 sick days.

Edit: to make myself clearer. He was sick on mondays or fridays usually/conveniently.

Edit2: seems I must've missed that im on /c/antiwork here. Excuse me for careing about my job and getting mad about people making my life difficult.