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DOJ Seeks Five-Year Minimum Sentences for Tesla Property Damage.

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DOJ Seeks Five-Year Minimum Sentences for Tesla Property Damage

Federal prosecutors have filed charges against at least two people for allegedly damaging Tesla property.

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This whole time I can't help but think...
What's the point in burning unsellable cars that take up real estate on sales lots?
If you burn them Elmo gets the MSRP (probably more) from insurance, if you don't burn them, no one is buying it anyways. The few that are, use the 0% down 0% apr loans and Tesla loses money on those.
Setting a Tesla on fire in 2025 makes Musk more money than buying one.
Let them rot on the lot.
Quick edit:
If you want something that will help, organize protests at the manufacturing plants.
We don't need to protest stores that have zero buyers anyway...
But shutting down and restarting production lines is insanely expensive. And Tesla workers are almost guaranteed to hate their job already. That's the weak point, that's where pressure should be applied.
- Repeated targeting of them for vandalism makes them a liability for insurance companies. If the insurance rates go up or they become uninsurable the sales numbers will decline. No need sales plus less on the road paying the ridiculous subscription fees or paying for charging means less money for Tesla.
  Plus, Nazis can fuck off.
  
  Bruv...
  Are you under the impression for insurance for a manufacturer on their existing inventory is the same thing as a random person's insurance on a personal vehicle?
  Edit:
  And the liability to insurance companies has existed for a long time...
  Tesla locks down their supply chains, there's no option besides "manufacter parts" and Tesla sucks at making them.
  So a fender bender could be months to get fixed, and insurance may be on the hook for rentals for that period on top of higher than average repair costs, which leads to Teslas being marked "totaled" when others would be repaired ...
  Like, I agree in spirit, but you just don't understand what's happening...
  But if you set a Tesla on fire at a Tesla lot...
  You just made Elon more money than if you bought it.
  That's important for people to understand
  
  https://gizmodo.com/tesla-hate-is-making-insurance-more-expensive-for-owners-2000577467
  
  The cost to insure a Tesla Model 3 went up 30 percent last year.
  I'd absolutely love to understand how these protests raised insurance rates for the year before the protests started.
  Cuz buddy, that's basically time travel, and it would be fascinating to learn how it works....
  But what's probably more likely, is the stuff I just explained, and your article agreed with me on.
  I have zero idea if you're agreeing with me intentionally tho, because you literally just put a link with zero context.
  
  If you start your statement with that played the fuck out term, no one will ever take you seriously
  
  Now listen here old chap...
  Sometimes people listen to Drill in the mornings to stay awake and codeswitching isn't always a conscious behavior.
  
  There’s your problem. Drill tempo is way too slow for waking up, try some hardcore punk where they’re double timing 150-180 bpms
  
  We need more punks, but we need more of other stuff too
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHhIoUxOisM
  
  Insurance isn't some magic thing that removes all risk from a situation. Go out to reputable sources to find some very long dry reading on how insurance works. It is basically a form of gambling on the part of the insurance company. The house doesn't like to lose.
  In the context of dealerships:
  Insurance won't pay out the full value of the vehicle. It will be a depreciated cost. This means less money will be recovered than would have been made if it had been sold. This payout will also depreciate further depending on the age of the vehicle/how long it has been on the lot.
  Insurance payout on building repairs will also not likely completely cover the expense.
  Insurance will raise premiums or cancel insurance contracts if the occurrence is too frequent. Once insurance becomes unattainable, the losses explode.
  Not having insurance on the property can affect any mortgages or loans, including leading to foreclosure of the property. The banks want to make sure they get their value out of the property.
  In the context of owners:
  Insurance rates are already higher due to problems with the vehicles (30% last year), and there are already plenty of articles about how they'll be going up more due to the ongoing vandalism.
  The cars in some of the cases that were destroyed were at a repair shop, so those are cars already owned by people. The sale was already completed. (Which does bring question to targeting, but a symbol is a symbol at the end of the day, and it isn't the same as killing humans.)
  
  You might find this interesting:
  https://piainsagency.com/car-dealer-insurance-coverage/
  But you'd definitely find it informative.
  It's like Red Green used to say.
  
  High-crime areas can also drive up premiums due to increased risks of theft or vandalism.
- ....
  Ok
  So, in that clip the joker had taken money from someone, and is destroying it.
  You get that?
  An unsold Tesla, if set on fire, will make Tesla the same as if you gave them cash for MSRP.
  That is more profit then if you bought one because they're sold under MSRP right now for 0% interest.
  Does just.... Literally anything I am saying make sense to you yet?
  The joker destroyed wealth, but destroying an unsold Tesla gives musk more money than if you purchased it
  
  Everyone gets what you're saying. It's not a difficult concept. What they're trying to tell you is that the symbolism is more important than the value of some cars. The symbolism is destroying an entire company. The Tesla car brand is likely permanently toxic. He's the richest man in the world. Do you honestly think people think that destroying some cars will bankrupt him? He can afford an entire navy. They're saying that taking away sources of wealth (mostly inflated) will hit him where it hurts. In his fragile man baby ego.
  
  The symbolism is destroying an entire company.
  Musk doing multiple Nazi salutes on national television at CPAC did more, his rampant cuts of the government did more to hurt Tesla's image.
  Especially because those are the big reason for protests....
  Like, what you're doing is saying the reason people don't like a convicted murderer is they were convicted.
  That is them facing consequences.
  The protests are a consequence not a cause.
  Do you honestly think people think that destroying some cars will bankrupt him?
  I have tried explaining multiple times how that makes him money...
  How would something that makes someone money ever bankrupt them?
  That's a rhetorical question, I'm not wasting anymore time on unproductive things
- They key is to do what you are going to do after the vehicle has been purchased. Muskrat already got his money, so too late there. Insurance will cover the owner's losses, but they key is that they and others will avoid the brand in the future. Who wants to buy a vehicle that is a target for vandalism, especially after it has already happened to you or someone you know?
  Leave older Teslas alone. Those poor people are stuck with a Swasticar they probably bought when they thought they were doing something good. IncEl Caminos though...
  
  The point is to tank the brand. Do you want to own a car that is gonna get set on fire?

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