Just something I made

I'm gonna need some names because I only recognize like, two.
- Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:
  Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
  Servo
  Libweb (Ladybird)
  Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
  WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
  Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
  QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
  Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
  Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
  
  (until they get a new lead dev, Ladybird is definitely not any type of “Good”)
  
  Is there any Servo-based browser? If not, it should be called Serval.
  
  Where does Dillo fit into this?
  Its got cookies disabled by default, no support for JavaScript, and only partial support for CSS. Just as god intended.
  
  Huh, I didn't know MSHTML as used in IE was also called Trident. I thought Trident was specifically early Edge before they switched to Blink.
  
  Usually a Firefox guy but gonna give GNOME web an install for shiggles since I remember safari being fun to play with back in my teenage "hacker" days.
- Also a quick cliff notes on what each is would be greatly appreciated
  I only recognize the Chromium icon...
  
  These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser. I don’t know them all, but top left, Gecko, is the engine for Mozilla, center is Web Kit for Safari, bottom center is Chromium for Chrome, Brave, Edge, etc., and bottom right is Trident, the old engine for Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it's improving quite quickly.
I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like... seriously?
- Any details on that comment? Curious...
  
  I'll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it's not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let's go through some of it:
  Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes "he" to "they" in documentation.
  This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas' issues.
  The "he" in question referred to any user, where "they" is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
  Andreas' exact words: "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics."
  This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as "Grammar fixes" (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
  This PR was merged two hours after its creation and, coincidentally, around a month after Andreas announced his stepping down from the project.
  An unrelated post by the contributor, same day.
  Someone got his attention and tried to explain to him why that's not cool; he doubled down, assuming the worst from the original contributor.
  Andreas Kling likes interacting with far-right, queerphobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
  Here's him calling Brendan Eich, known homophobe, kicked out of Mozilla for... being a homophobe, now CEO of the foremost crypto browser, infamous for its bravery and attracting like-minded fans, "Senpai."
  A far more impressive man than Andreas will ever be.
  Brendan's great ...Also shouldn't have decried him in the past for being a homophobe (he did to fit in).
  Memeing about Brendan Eich's secret to success.
  Here's him welcoming Vaxry, infamous for the toxic community of his hyprland project to the point of being kicked out of the freedesktop.org project. He's also on record saying "I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide". There is a print of this, somewhere. I will find it and put it here.
  Here's him doing a talk with Bryan Lunduke, tech's premier transphobe anti-DEI, anti-Woke conspiracy theorist with a classic far-right victim-complex.
  Trudging through Bryan's slop wears on the mind, but here's another example of him being ridiculous. Highlight of the article: "There are multiple Software and Computer organizations which have declared their support for the Trans fetish over the last few years..."
  Read anything by Bryan, then look into what he's talking about. There are at least as many examples, as there are times Bryan has touched upon LGBT topics or linux in recent years.
  Here's relatively prominent KDE developer Niccolò's hour long video detailing how Bryan is a horrible, lying "journalist," and how people need to stop giving him a stage.
  He also often interacts with other various degrees of right-leaning users on twitter, a platform he describes as full of positive energy, unlike Mastodon.
  Other funny things about Andreas that could be irrelevant in isolation but... look at all of this.
  Thinks the left doesn't contribute to Open Source. No idea how he measured lurkers' political leanings.
  Self-described centrist/apolitical.
  Would I look at that PR and say I'm not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that's excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he's just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. But I'm not touching or otherwise supporting it unless Andreas gets his shit sorted.
- guilty until proven innocent, for it is better that the innocent are condemed than for a guilty man go free. And should a trial be warranted, it shall be conducted not by jury, but by a tribunal of like-minded individuals.
  they're live the perfect anti-libral.
- I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?
  I actually recently had a discussion about this very issue and came to see it as a case of poor communication, rather than anything mean-spirited on the devs' part.

Why is QtWebEngine considered evil?
- It's effectively Chromium.
  
  It’s the other way around. KHTML begat WebKit and Blink, then we got QtWeb.
  
  Wdym chromium is open-source
- Isn't it chrome based?
  
  Chrome and Chromium are two very different things.
  
  I didn't know that
- It has much less features than Gecko or Blink
  
  I guess thats a shame, but not evil

chaotic good? ladybird? the browser by devs that refuse to use your pronouns?
https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
- People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.
  I'm all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they're trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone's feelings are hurt, or can't get their way, will get them -- and the demographic or movement they represent -- labelled as undesirable.
  
  A single line of documentation? How about looking into some context? Hurt feelings my ass, Andreas isn't some innocent, silly little guy who never does anything questionable.
  And which cause exactly are you talking about? Because I don't know about you, but I'll stand for real, marginalized people over lines of code on a screen any day.
  
  I've checked out the PR, and it does look bad. But I'd like to see a justification. The comment seems blatantly transphobic/misogynistic. Seems like you're saying that my understanding is extreme. How could yours be refuted?
  Brigading was clearly not justified, but as per my apparently extreme opinions, so isn't the original reply?
  
  Brigading was definitely not a justified act. That was wrong and extreme, and shouldn't have been done. However, this still doesn't excuse the closing reply to the PR.
  People are losing their shit ... over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation?
  This is quite ironic, considering the first person in the PR seems to be the person who closed the issue.
  
  not sure how exactly I'm losing my shit? I posted a single link, and let people decide for themselves, if your fine with supporting sexist people then nobody is stopping you.
  and personally I don't care if you think I'm hurting my cause, people who get this butthurt over some simple words and basic respect, simply are not the kind of people who I want to be around anyways.
  
  This is why I hate the FOSS community. Everyone freaks out and cries wolf the second a platform doesn't share their political opinion, even if it's completely irrelevant to privacy or FOSS.
- Oh what the fuck, dev came off like a fucking ass to a minor suggestion.
- Old news - fix is already in production Proof
  Please check your sources :)
  
  The fact that someone else fixed the issue doesn't really excuse the absolutely unacceptable original response to a very reasonable request.
  I'm much more interested in seeing an apology, or any sort of indication that the dev understands how disrespectful they were.
- Lmao, a weird choice of a hill to die on. Although, given I've seen ppl refer to a user account as "he" exactly 0 times before that, I suspect the dev may speak smth like French natively, where everything is either male or female.
  That said, i'd rather use "it" instead of "they", given an account (and anon one at that) is not a person.
  
  I'm fairly certain the main dev is swedish
- +it is basically unusable yet
- Foss community is so insufferable and toxic
  
  can you be more specific about what part of the community is toxic?
  
  Not always. In fact, 90% of it is mostly nice

I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in Servo but we are in need of anything better than Gecko. Ladybird is the new one on the block and we will see if it goes anywhere. I like that Ladybird it's own web browser.
- Same cause nowadays you have to rely on a for profit company for your browser engine.
  
  I don't have any issue as long as there are options and the company isn't actively hostile.
- Ladybird seems almost singularly focused on macOS development. They say that they intend to incrementally move from C++ to Swift
  
  Swift is decent, one of the biggest .net (c#) people gave a talk at godotcon about whay he likes it better than c#
  It works cross platform, it's just developed by apple

khtml deserves to be in the gift to humanity category

Where's KHTML? The O.G. GOAT.
- Well that's WebKit now

What the fuck? Safari is neutral???
- That is Webkit, not Safari. Lots of things other than Safari use it.
  
  Lots? Really?
- WebKit is neutral. Remember the sheer amount if browsers using WebKitGTK, and even more that used to use QtWebKit.
  
  I could name any of them. Gnome Web? I think that's it.

- It's been said before, but Ladybird (and their OS) are made by someone who's two steps away from having a glorious TempleOS style mental collapse, so I will personally fight in the Mozilla trenches.
  Info on this? He seems pretty reasonable from what I've seen of him.
- Webkit as well?

Why is ladybird chaotic good when it's not even out yet
- Neither is Servo.
  Chaotic good because it's an entire (almost functional) engine built from scratch, and without any corporate backing.
  
  And is developed by a bad person.

Is there anything one could even install anymore based off of IE's engine? That'd be a fun one to put on the old beater machine.
- Aside from IE? Not much.

Both Blink and Gecko are equally good. Others suck