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Elon Musk angers German government with post backing far-right party - UPI.com

www.upi.com Elon Musk angers German government with post backing far-right party - UPI.com

Elon Musk is under fire after publicly backing a far-right political party in Germany, suggesting the current government should not be re-elected over its position on the current migrant crisis in Europe.

Sept. 30 (UPI) -- Elon Musk is under fire after publicly backing a far-right political party in Germany, suggesting the current government should not be re-elected over its position on the current migrant crisis in Europe.

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Elon Musk angers German government with post backing far-right party

www.upi.com /Top_News/World-News/2023/09/30/germany-elon-musk-far-right-political-party-immigration/9361696089545/

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Wow. He straight up just admitted he's a Nazi. Absolutely fucking vile.
- He thinks it's controversial to not let migrants (men, women and children) drown and die, and has no problem promoting a party which is full of nazi sympathizers.
  He's a sociopath, a racist and a fascist.
  And those likely aren't even his worst characteristics, given the stories of sexual assault, links to Epstein, and the fact his father married his own daughter.
  
  asdfasfasdf
  
  I don’t think I want to let him off the hook with a metal disorder.
  I won’t accept that he’s a sociopath until there’s an official diagnosis. Sociopaths deserve empathy and need treatment. Musk is just a reprehensible asshole.
  (By the way @Hyperreality, I’m not arguing with you. I’m taking the word “sociopath” more literally than you intended. I know what you mean, and agree.)
- That's why he loves the letter X so much. With a slight modification, it becomes a swastika.
- All billionaires are nazis. The fact nobody sees this is the main reason why shit has gotten so bad.
- You know, these are the kind of blatant lies that ensures that no one ever believes you or your "team".
  
  You must not know much about german politics lol go to the wikipedia page for AFD
  
  Your inability to care what words mean is not our problem.
- How is that? Is the AfD a Nazi party? Maybe you should let the Government of Germany know, since Nazi Parties are explicitly illegal there. Or maybe you should stop throwing around terms like "nazi" to mean "things you don't like" unless you have something specifically actionable, that would get the party banned in Germany?
  
  There actually are motions underway in pursuit of a party ban on those grounds, yes. It hasn’t been determined yet if their statements and objectives qualify, but there is widespread belief they do.
  
  They are far right wing, and the AFD state division of Thüringen is considered extremist and is under surveillance of the Verfassungsschutz (domestic intelligence services). They have a lot of proven Nazis in their ranks and the party leadership does absolutely nothing against it.
  So IMHO it's safe to use the blanket term Nazis for the AFD, although they of course don't see themselves as such.
  
  They have a ton of Nazis in their party. Not even joking, you can call some of their top ranking members Nazis. And that has been decided by court order. It’s not slander because the courts agree that the term is fitting for some of those people. And honestly in my eyes the one that runs with Nazis is a Nazi.
  
  We had many years of a Nazi partin Germany called NPD they were finally banned a few years ago, but obviously another party filled that spot. The AFD was far right wing but not extremist and got fast more votes than the NPD ever got. After internal fights they went more far right after they thrown out their founder. Now they are even more extreme right and you can consider them a Nazi party. Banning the party is currently under consideration.
  
  Is the AfD a Nazi party?
  Yes.
  Its a far right party that harbours nazis/fascists.
  Multiple rulings have passed that its legal to call some of their members those things.
  If not all of them are, they are associating with nazis. Which makes them nazis.
  
  In Italy, the Fratelli d'Italia (FdI) party is perfectly legitimate despite the constitution banning the PNF party from being created again. Despite FdI having roots in the MSI (Italian social movement), having a fascist symbol in their logo and some of the politicians participating in far right manifestations and declared Mussolini was a good leader, it's complicated to define what fascist, neofascist and post-fascist is. They have traits of fascism but also not, e.g. this time they are allied with US and not against them.

Elon Musk is a South African who lives and operates in the US. Why tf is he trying chiming in about any German electoral process?
How about Apartheid Clyde stays in his lane.
- He's building a Tesla factory in Germany. So that might be why. Also it's not just a right wing party, but the most extreme right wing party in Germany that isn't forbidden yet.
  
  Wait he hasn't finished building it and it's already suffering daily casualties? Yikes.
- The fact that this gets media coverage like it even remotely matters is madness. Will there be media coverage of my posts on the topic, since it's suddenly world news when a private American citizen comments on what is happening in another country..
  
  Because it does matter, motherfucker has millions of people listening to him and a worldwide social media that he controls. Even if his opinions are trash, he amplifies and spreads this garbage, and gives a platform for the scum of the earth who wouldn't have it otherwise.
  Fucking Henry Ford of our age.
  
  This isn't Tom the small business accountant from rural Ohio commenting on Germany's immigration policy on a facebook post. It's someone who controls more money than the GDP of multiple entire countries, and who has already shown an interest in using his companies to influence geo-politics based on his opinions in the moment.
  If anything, you should be concerned that a single individual can make choices about global politics without discussion or legal safety guards - which has historically caused some issues in the place that the AfD comes from.
  
  To be fair, this is a private American citizen with close enough ties to far right politicians he hosted the campaign launch of one, who’s whim personally controls a major space launch provider and a site that sets the terms of public conversation and normality for a terrifying large number of people, and ohh ya, in an economic system based around the idea that the person with the most capital gets to decide what to do , well he has the most capital.
- I wish the news would just pretend he doesn't exist. I'm so tired of him.
- He's a Nazi and he supports Nazi's
  
  Nazis. You don't need an apostrophe to make something plural.

Elon Musk is starting to go so far off the deepend that we may need to call in Britney Spears dad to take conservertership of him.

I'm trying my damndest to ignore Musk. I invite you all to join me
- Does ignoring influential fascists make them stop trying to increase their influence? Or make them stop being fascists?
  Maybe we should ask Neville Chamberlain how well that works?

Dude just admit his a nazi? Or the far right in Germany is not what I think it is. Not familiar with the party structure there.
- In 2022, it was ruled that the BfV may classify and monitor the entire party as a suspected right-wing extremist group. A corresponding lawsuit by the AfD was dismissed because "there were sufficient factual indications of anti-constitutional efforts within the AfD".[36] On 26 April 2023, the BfV, after four years of investigations into the Young Alternative for Germany, categorized that group as a confirmed extremist organization. This allowed the chief of the BfV Thomas Haldenwang to place the youth wing under even more intensive surveillance than the tapping of phone and the use of undercover agents that had been the case until then.[45][46]
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
  Just summarizing here. They are right wing extremists that have taken over old Nazi talking points and are gaining popularity with anti immigration, anti climate change and populist propaganda.
  
  BfV is the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, a domestic intelligence agency, so somewhat comparable to the FBI in the USA.
- He's been cheering for nazis for ages by now. Doesn't that make him a nazi?
- They're against immigration, Islam, refugees, gender equality, gay marriage, and Kosher food. They want the German army to bring back conscription.
  They're fucking Nazis.
  He's endorsing Nazis.
  He's a Nazi.
- Perhaps the bigger news is that far right in Germany is on track to become the biggest political bloc in the country.
  
  Russia, China and the Republicans have been propping European far right parties for the past x decades, and now the recessions and the wars are generating easy support for the populists
- AfD is mostly populism. Apart from immigration they hardly agree on anything and have a lot of internal conflict about what the stance of the party should be.
  The current situation is that the established parties (and especially the media) don't engage much in discussion with AfD and just call them nazis, which divides the country. Admitting publicly that you vote for them will also get you thrown into the corner of people everyone calls nazis.
  
  It is not just populism. The party is full of racists and homophobes. A member in my area even admits to believing in the great reset, which is an ultra right and anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
  
  The AfD is a cesspool of dyed in the wool Nazis. What their official positions are is entirely irrelevant to that. And yes, if you admit to voting for them, people will think you're a Nazi.
  
  That's because the AfD is a fascist Nazi party and thus idiots voting for them are Nazis, too. Easy.

Fuck Nazis. Especially billionaire Nazis.

this guy's a threat
- He's fucking with fish that are way bigger than him.
  
  This is absolutely wrong. He is the big fish in this Capitalist planet. But besides, the fact that he is supporting one of Germany's legal and legitimate political parties in their ostensible democracy is absolutely not something that anyone anywhere should be afraid of doing.

Someone lock him up
- Or better, seize all his peoperty and money
  
  Why not both?
- I hope that if he steps foot in any country that experienced the horrors of Nazism, that the locals take to the streets to forcefully eject him from the country. He should be denied entry by the EU entirely.
  Edit: I also hopes Germany does something about the AfD, who don't appear to be congruous with Nazi anti-glorification laws.

He only wants a political party that will side with his delusions. Unfortunately his delusions sided with nazis.
- No, you see, HE isn't a Nazi, he just happens to agree with everything Nazis say.

So very unclear what his politics are.

According to an expert assessment from the German Institute for Human Rights that's a hundred pages long, all the conditions for banning the AfD party are met. Talks about the urgent need to do so are being kicked off. If a party ban is seriously being considered, you know they are doing something wrong. Party bans in Germany are very difficult to achieve for obvious historical reasons. So far only two have been banned, one of them was the SRP, the follow-up party of the Nazi party.
- Considering that recent polls show the AfD at ~30% in some states, I doubt banning it will work. The only reasons it's gotten this big is abysmal politics by the current and former govt. I'm pretty sure banning it is only going to make things worse. And I am not at all convinced you can truly consider them ban worthy like actual Nazis, even though the current govt would very much like you to think this way.

It doesn't matter how much money he has - every time I visualize Musk posting to Twitter, I see him as a teenage edgelord in a shabby suburban tract house, hunched over an off-the-shelf desktop PC in a room with green shag carpeting and fake wood paneling, lit only by the glow from the screen, giggling to himself.

Twitter is so easy for people to get off of. But they won't.
Now, if any companies could give any serious competition in the US to SpaceX (launch or Starlink) and Tesla, that would be phenomenal.
- Space travel isn't profitable. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, of course, but the way it works is that pieces of shit like musk wedge themselves in the space and then like a leech start siphoning public funding from NASA just because idiot or senile senators would rather allocate more money to private industry then fund a public good. So SpaceX get's subsidized, and NASA gets privatized.
  
  Regarding the profitability - spaceflight isn't profitable yet. Some companies are trying to do manufacturing and mining that could be profitable in the future, especially if launch costs keep dropping. Moving heavy industry off planet seems like a good goal to me. That's also ignoring different imaging and communications companies that are doing alright.
  Regarding privatization - NASA has contacted out services from their literal beginning in the Mercury program. Contracting out basic/boring launch makes sense to me and lets them focus on bigger ideas. I don't really think SpaceX is "subsidized" vs winning contracts to deliver hardware and provide services, especially when you compare to their competition for programs like ISS commercial crew/cargo and Artemis human landing system, where their direct competitors (Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Blue Origin, etc) are more expensive.
  My big gripe is that no one else has launch capacity right now, so SpaceX has no pressure to get cheaper and companies don't have a choice. Ariane 5 retired, Atlas V is booked out, and Vulcan, Ariane 6, New Glenn, Neutron, Terran R, etc. are not flying yet.

Dude is taking jabs at anyone at this point...

He can make them angry, but they're still gonna suck his dick for a Tesla plant, and kiss his ass for his political contribution.

The man is a white settler who's grandfather came to South Africa as part of the British military occupation and grew up as the child of someone with an ownership stake in an emerald mine. He is a quinessential white supremacist. Don't let his accent or his proximity to intelligence fool you.
- I don't like Musk, but this is false. South Africa became sovereign in 1934. Musk's grandad moved from Canada to SA in 1950, 26 years later.

- Which part of Sweden do you live in?
  
  You don't need to live in Sweden to be aware of the significant issues they're having with gang violence and it's not native Swedes these gangs are made of. I live in Finland and Yle, which is the Finnish equivalence of BBC makes news about this weekly and they're by no means a site known to spread right wing propaganda so I don't see a reason to assume any bias there.
- What the fuck are you doing on Lemmy, go away.
- Lol
  Sweden isn't broken because of immigration
  Don't be so quick to believe in right wing lies

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