2y ago

Government to overhaul privacy laws, including opting out of advertising, a right to be forgotten, and new rules for small businesses

www.abc.net.au

Opting out of targeted ads, and a 'right to be forgotten': Government agrees to sweeping privacy reforms

cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/4017115

Related material, not all as optimistic as the ABC news article:
Video interview with Dr Katharine Kemp.
Government response to the Privacy Act Review Report.
Govt kicks Privacy Act can down the road - Only commits to a handful of review recommendations..

Privacy @lemmy.ml

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2y ago

Australia

Government to overhaul privacy laws, including opting out of advertising, a right to be forgotten, and new rules for small businesses

www.abc.net.au /news/2023-09-28/government-agrees-to-sweeping-privacy-reforms/102912458

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Cool, but our governments have passed some of the absolute worst privacy laws in the world so this means basically nothing.
Our ISPs are forced to log all the metadata about everything you do on your internet service, and the government can basically just request it for any reason they desire.
- Federal law enforcement agencies can request app Devs put backdoors into their apps, so the cops can steal data. What's more, the Devs aren't allowed to tell anyone that they have done so.
  
  Yep, and that makes literally no sense as any code I do has to go through a peer review and be checked off by 2 other devs, who would catch the back door. Our government has no idea how technology works.
- But these proposed laws mean that the government will have the monopoly on civil liberty violations.
  Commercial businesses will not be able to exploit you.
Sounds great, but knowing something about how screwed Australians are for privacy I'm sure there's a caveat. Probably have to have a digital ID 100% verifiable human citizen before you can use it. Allow yourself to be AI tracked online and off 24/7 to get rid of some ads. If people did a bit of research you will find you can already do these things and more to increase your security and protect your own privacy. The governments don't like that though. If it's something like the EU's GDPR with no caveats then it will be an improvement.
- Its the Australian government there's going to be so many loopholes that its essentially pointless then when people ask for a real version they gonna point to it and go look we already have this stop complaining.
- The caveat is it doesn't apply to political parties.
Ads should be opt in. You shouldn't have to jump through hoops to make them go the hell away.
- Not while we live in a capitalist system. Ad personalisation on the other hand...
- I think everyone would be surprised how many people would opt in.
  I installed a pihole and not being able to click on ads for 12 hours is the closest my wife has been to divorcing me.
  
  Say what ?
  Do you know what sort of ads she clicks on most often?
- And how do you propose sites pay for their hosting and staff?
  
  With any number of alternative business models.
  It's unfuriating that people actually believe ads can have some kind of positive impact by creating a revenue stream for content.
  
  You could click the link in the OP to find out
Lol Australia is one of the five eyes countries who spy on their own citizens.
- Very important legal distinction here: we have laws about spying on our own citizens, so we let our allies do it for us, while we openly spy on our allies citizens, and then share that information back with each other. Totally different bro! /s
About time, it should be seen as a liability to hold personal data you have no need for
- That's already illegal. Australian Privacy Principle #3 states:
  an organisation, may only collect this information where it is reasonably necessary for the organisation’s functions or activities
  In other words, they can't collect it unless it is necessary to provide service they offer.
  I have lived and breathed (and trained hundreds of people on) these privacy principles. Our privacy laws are already pretty good. Waaaaay better than the USA. But yeah, they're due for a bit of modernisation.
  You can read the current privacy principles here.
Good to see Chaney introduce a private members bill to remove the carve out for political parties.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/28/labor-albanese-government-privacy-crackdown-political-parties
But the outcome of that seems like a fait accompli in any parliament where Labor and the Coalition can combine for a majority.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Social media companies follow us wherever we go online (and occasionally offline), learning intimate details they can use to target advertising.
Millions of Australians have been implicated in data breaches compromising passport details, health information or other sensitive communications held onto long past when was reasonable.
Now, the federal government has committed to overhauling Australia's privacy laws following the recommendations of a major review first initiated by the former administration.
Among the proposals the government has tentatively agreed to is also the idea that individuals should have the right to require an entity to delete or de-identify their personal information.
The government agrees in-principle that people should have that right, including being able to require search engines to de-index certain information about them, meaning it would not show in their results.
The government has flagged it will continue working on the reforms into next year, with fresh rounds of consultation to come for some of the most complex proposals, as well as likely transition periods for those affected.
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The "right to be forgotten" should not be looked at as a good thing. Its reason for existing is honestly pretty gross. It's about censoring people's access to news if the subject of that news doesn't like it. Literally, Google v Costeja is basically its origin, and it's a case where Google was forced to stop linking to news articles about a person despite those articles being entirely accurate. This is bad for two reasons:
First, the news is accurate. It reported on events that had occurred—in fact, the reporting was legally mandated by the Spanish Government. This was not in dispute. Access to accurate information simply because it portrays someone in a bad light is an awful kind of censorship.
Second, it went after the wrong subject. Google's job is to link people to websites. If someone wants information taken down, they shouldn't be asking Google to de-index it, they should be going after the news site. If the law wants to allow the information to be made inaccessible, they should require the news site to take it down. Or better, they should be required to issue an update or retraction alongside the previously-accurate article.
- If someone wants information taken down, they shouldn’t be asking Google to de-index it, they should be going after the news site.
  How? How can you ask a site run in a foreign country, by people who don't speak english, to remove some content about you?
  Also - just because content is accurate doesn't mean it's legal. A video of two people having sex is "accurate". That doesn't mean it should be shared online if they haven't consented to that.
  As far as I know, Mario Costeja González never did anything wrong? All he did was sell an asset in order to pay off a debt. The media's coverage of the event did long term harm to his reputation. I think it's a perfectly good example of a reasonable takedown request. The normal rule for people with financial difficulties in Australia is to erase all records after five years (e.g. if you're overdue paying off a loan, that black mark against your name will be forgotten if you do eventually pay the loan off and then don't miss a payment for five years).
  Kids also do stupid shit all the time, and these days those mistakes are often posted online. They shouldn't ruin your reputation for your entire life.
  I'm sure this won't be a universal right. There will be rules around when someone can ask for content to be taken down. I'm reserving judgement until I've seen those rules... and even then it's pretty normal for new legislation to miss a few things and be amended later.
  
  I'm not going to address the ridiculous bad faith arguments made in your first two paragraphs.
  As to the third, he didn't do anything wrong per se, but he was required to sell off assets to pay debt. This is a simple fact which occurred and the news was required to report on it. If a law existed requiring the news organisation to take down those records after 5 years, that would be entirely reasonable. But that law did not exist in Spain, as evidenced by the fact that the newspaper had been asked and refused to remove the news. It's ridiculous to censor it via Google simply because he doesn't like it. If there's not a lawful basis to remove the article from its original source, there shouldn't be a lawful basis to remove it from Google. (This is different to, say, removing pirate links from Google, because they are illegal and a lawful basis does exist for removing them, even if practical matters around jurisdiction prevent actually enforcing that law.)
  There is never a case where a news site in a country should keep an article up, but search engines be required by the Government of the same country to de-index the article.
- John Barilaro demonstrated you can do the same thing already, this just gives the same right to people who can't afford a team of KCs.

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