Does anyone else get so tired and depressed from saying you're good when people ask how you are?
Every day, all day, I have to lie to clients at work and tell them I'm good. I'm far from good and lying about it constantly is killing me.
I'm incredibly lonely and almost everything I usually enjoy feels like a goddamn chore.
Anyone else here feel like that? If so, how do y'all cope?
The people from northern Germany have very honest, but simple way to answer this question.
„Na? Wie is?“ (How is your life going right now?)
„Muss ja…“. (It is going on because it has to.)
This is what I LOVE about German culture.
"How are you/Wie geht es dir" is a serious question. So you just ask that if you are genuinely ready for 2-3 minutes of information about the person's situation.
I went to an English boarding school for half a year and once a teacher walked by and asked me "how are you". Now I know she was just polite. But she looked so bewildered once I gave her an update on beeing so far from home for the first time and that the rooms are very very small etc. She was absolutely not ready for these 2-3 minutes, and I even think she was in a hurry.
Of course "I am suffering from serious depression and my life is in shambles" is also not a normal answer in Germany, but "puh, it's been rough the past few weeks, but I guess better time will come" totally is. Then it's the other person's choice to dig deeper or just accept that answer.
Oh you need to befriend me. It's an absolutely normal answer. As is "well at the rate it's going humanity is doomed and shits getting worse rapidly, I'm coping".
"How are you/Wie geht es dir" is a serious question. So you just ask that if you are genuinely ready for 2-3 minutes of information about the person's situation
Truly the land of milk and honey colored beer
I just stopped saying I'm fine. It's actually pretty fun to make things awkward. My best situations are usually "been better" and I'm usually more like "pretty shitty, my guy". People who didn't mean to ask will just wish me well but the best are when people agree with you and you go on a rant about shitty people for a half hour.
I use "Getting by. We're all just getting by." I usually get a reply like, "Ain't that the truth." More real, and it invites an attitude of being in it together.
Arrive at work.
Coworker asks, "How are you?"
I respond, "Well, I'm here."
Coworker nods knowingly.
“The horrors persist, but so do I.”
Your issue doesn’t seem to be the greeting itself. Please - talk with someone about your potential depression. Maybe someday you can say honestly “I’m OK.” and it’ll sit better.
"Struggle, endure, contend. For that alone is the sword of one who defies death. "
"Struggle is the bread of life. It is the element that distinguishes the living from the dead"
"No matter how deep the darkness, a light shines within those who fight."
"In times of despair, remember this: the darkest nights produce the brightest stars. Endure, and you will find your path"
No one really wants an accurate answer. It's just a greeting. Someone says 'how are you?' you say 'grand' then get on with your day. Same as when someone says 'what's happening?' They don't want a comprehensive list of your woes and such.
Edit: just found this - https://lemmy.world/post/25032324
Well obviously, but I know that I'm lying and it just reminds me of how I'm shitty like 90% of days.
Then say something different. Same shit different day, surviving for now, whatever. They'll shrug it off and move on. We all do it. My mom used to say, "it's a good day. I woke up on the right side of the dirt."
It's impossible to be 100% honest all the time if you want to live in the western culture. It would cause so many problems. You would be seen as someone strange, even though you are the normal one for expressing your honest emotions.
In a mad world, being sane is seen as being mad.
If it's a greeting, then just greet me. "Hey!", "Good morning", etc. Don't ask me a question you don't want an answer to.
You can say other things. Good. It’s been better. I’m alive. Just keep it short.
The horrors persist, but so do I.
Cthulu lives (runs away)
I grew up in a cult. I learned real quick that the only answer is "I'm fine thanks". any negativity implied I was out of gods favor and that I was being punished for sinning. So seeking help only ever lead to inquisitorial shit.
Then stop lying about it :
"Hey, how you doin'?"
" Everything's bad, as usual, thanks"
Or
"Just as bad as yesterday, thanks, what about you?"
Or
"... next question?"
If it's a client and can't afford to be awkward, just say say
"Just another day"
And if people ask for more details but you don't want to talk about it, just say :
"Just having a bad day"
Or
"Nothing good happened yet"
Or
"Nothing out of the ordinary"
Or just make up your honest but polite answers
If I'm having a crappy day especially at work my answer is "Another day another dollar, how about you? "
I feel like it would be really interesting to see what would happen if everyone started doing this at once, but as it stands it'd just make things more complicated for yourself.
Yep OP should get out of their misery cycle by at least sharing a little of the misery they feel. Could be helpful.
Have you considered ego death? Abandon concepts like being polite or not rocking the boat. Do something you think might be enjoyable because you can and laugh off others who don't understand. Life is too short to be normal.
Life is a sandbox game and nowhere it says you need to play it like other people do. I look at the lives of the "average person" and I don't want what they have so I also don't see why I should do what they do and expect a different outcome. Ofcourse one doesn't just choose to not care about what others think - it's not that easy, but there are small steps you can take towards it that you can do every day.
For example: I like looking at things. Virtually every day I notice something and go: "what is that?" A normal person would maybe look at it while walking by without stopping but not me. I'm the guy others walk by wondering what the hell is he doing. Just yesterday there was this fascinating chain mail curtain that a store uses to close in the cashier window at night and I spent a solid 2 minutes there twiddling with it while the staff was wondering if I'm going to buy something or not. Nah, I'm just studying this thing here.
Personally, I've come to despise the "How're you?" greeting — it feels like it normalizes impersonal interactions and encourages the behavior of masking one's emotions. When someone asks "How are you?" I want that sentence to actually carry the emotional weight that it verbally masquerades. So, if someone says "How are you?", I just respond with a generic greeting like "Hi".
genuinely great answer. thanks.
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Thank you 😊
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You're welcome 😊
I've been going with "surviving" for the last year or so. It's about as good as I can confess to myself most days. I agree with you in that "good thanks", you? Feels you close to lying for my morals on my bad days.
I've gotten used to saying,"I continue to be blessed with gainful employment" in my usual flat sarcastic tone. At a surface level it's gratitude focused, but the context of my high-stress job and my deadpan delivery accurately communicates my stress level but in a way people find just humorous enough that it doesn't stress them out further in turn. Communicating my inner emotional state in a way they don't find stressful also helps create that very slight emotional intimacy that they're seeking by inquiring (but that also benefits the highly team-oriented nature of my work). On the other hand it allows both of us to maintain a comfortable emotional distance because it doesn't really prompt any in-depth response or further inquiry into my well being, just an acknowledgement that I said it such as,"I know, right?"
So I would maybe see if you can find a similar scripted / canned statement that communicates your actual emotional state in a slightly humorous manner. For instance "They're gettin' their money's worth outta me today!" or if you work in a 9-5 office job people might respond well to "Whelp. It's Monday alright." You could even go extra catch-phrase-y and say something like "maybe not thriving, but definitely surviving!" Exactly what sounds good with your overall "vibe" in the context of the "vibe" of your workplace will vary and might take some experimentation to find. My above canned response suits my personal vibe because I've got that hyperlexic autism thing going on so the relative complexity of my phrasing makes people go,"Yup, that's Apy alright!" (again, slight emotional intimacy) but also fits well in the context of a job that's expected to be stressful.
You can practice saying it in front of a mirror or under your breath and after a while it will just start rolling off your tongue with very little emotional or cognitive effort on your part. It'll also require less emotional or cognitive effort than ruminating on your inner emotional state and feeling like you're having to make a conscious decision about whether or not to lie about it or worse opening yourself up to dumb questions and statements from people who know next to nothing about how to actually discuss mental health concerns.
Source: am high acuity psych nurse with a borderline personality diagnosis. I've had a lot of social skills training as part of my own diagnosis / treatment plus I've observed a lot of people's behavior and had to learn a lot about team dynamics to do my job.
Best of luck!
As this thread demonstrates, there are plenty of ways to say “I’m doing terrible, actually” without breaking the social contract. If I’m having an awful day, my go-to is “hangin’ in there, how are you?”
The last part is important. Some people don’t want to talk about how you’re doing (maybe they don’t have the emotional bandwidth at the moment, maybe they’re in a hurry, maybe they just don’t care) so give them an out, a clear signal of something else they can discuss without seeming rude. The easiest way is to return the question, but you can also just jump into the imminent topic of conversation, like:
“How are you?”
“Keeping on keeping on. Hey, just wanted to reach out about that thing on page 4, do you have a minute?”
Or if they started the conversation and you don’t know what it’s about, there’s always “Takin’ it one day at a time, eh? What can I do for you?”
The biggest “risk” of this approach is that someone may offer sympathy or ask you what happened, which is a whole new set of protocols. But for me it’s worth it to not have to lie.
Here in Brazil (at least in my state) we usually say "Tudo bem?" which translates to "Is everything fine?" (in a casual way, not an emotional way) so it's more of a yes-or-no question. If I'm doing well or neutral, I'll just say "Tudo certo." (All is well.), if I'm not, then I just say "Mais ou menos." (More or less.) or "Não, e você?" (No, what about you?).
Honestly just saying I'm fine to someone I don't know doesn't bother me at all, although if it's someone I know better I would rather be honest with them.
I don't, I rely an ready made sentences that require no effort on my part are that are not lies at all. Depending who's asking when someone is asking me how well I'm I will answer (it's in French)
I don't lie (I may even hint that I may not be doing that well, in the first type of answers) but I also shamelessly use the fact that most people don't give the slightest crap how well I really am when they're asking. That's small-talk 101. Like saying 'the weather is nice today, isn't it?'
The less interactions I have with the kind of persons who rely on small-talk, the happier I'm. So, it never bothers me to be 'polite' as I know how efficient it is to shorten the time and energy I waste with them.
Curiosity question, is it common where you're from for people to ask how you're doing as a form of greeting? I had always heard it was such an American thing to do.
Here in France it's probably the norm the moment it's some other person you vaguely know. Or if there is no 'power' or authority relation involved.
That said, things may be different for younger people (I'm in my 50s) as I've noticed they don't talk that much in person.
Edit: typos. Cooking at the same time I'm trying to post a comment is not the best idea ;)
It helps to understand what is being communicated here. It's not a genuine request for your health status, it's a friendly greeting. The last thing anyone wants in response to "how are you" is a list of everything that's wrong with you. If you struggle to cope with replying "fine" or equivalent, refuse to answer the question and respond instead with something like "hi/hello!". The non-sequitur will jar them for a moment and hopefully they'll learn not to ask dumb questions.
I do. It's a cultural façade for both sides, one to pretend it cares, the other to pretend it's being honest.
I found out that the best way to make (certain) people stop asking it is to just be entirely honest for a change.
Don't say "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" Launch into a depressing tirade about everything that sucks in your life and the world. Trust me, they'll never ask again.
Heavenly peace.
Then stop lying and say 'could be better.' gives the illusion it's ok but not the best.
That's a Minnesotan way of saying it. Others are:
You can learn more here: https://youtu.be/vm-MrkoJPC8
If you do that, people will ask more questions and you will have to tell them why you feel that way. Unless you want to tell complete strangers (or job clients) how you feel, I'm not sure about this strategy. :)
Not always. 90% of the time it's a greeting not a question asking specifics. Plus you can always close down followup questions with a statement like 'But that is not why we are here.' and carry on with the job at hand.
I say what's up when people ask. People don't know how to respond/react or they laugh.
"Thanks, you too."
This question is a piece of the small talk death conversation. I don’t feel it should be asked unless you want to know. But that is me. I also loathe small talk, I feel it’s for people who can’t handle silence and thus demand energy from other to full said silence.
Others ask it like it’s the equivalent of “hello”. Saying the truth is like hearing “hello” and then talking about your life. Saying “hello” back is done by saying “fine”.
Where this messes up the human metric is the habitual responding. A provider enters a room in the morning to ask a hospitalized patient how they feel. Instead of responding honestly the patient says “fine”. Provider leaves to move onto the next patient. After the provider is gone for that day the patient realizes their error, or doesn’t understand why the provider disappeared so fast.
As others have pointed out, the problem is "How are you?" on its own is generally a greeting not a question.
As such the answer is largely irrelevant - so while it doesn't have to be outright lie, the answer shouldn't be longer than a single statement and shouldn't make the other person feel like they need to be concerned.
If you want a slightly less beaming answer you could go with "Alright", "same old, same old", "same as always", or "Eh, could be worse", or any of the other suggestions already made.
This is an anglo, and specifically American tic, and it's so weird.
It took me a few tries and getting some strange looks to get over it. Especially in the US, where sometimes they twist that knife harder and outright go "how was your day?". If you're going to be that specific I'm going to answer about the previous 24 hour period in detail, man, that's just how language works.
We do have a form of "how's it going" used as a generic greeting, but if we say "how are you" it means we're worried and want to know. Mostly it's just variations on "hello", or "good day", and some times a remark on how long it's been since we've seen each other.
It ia very much an English speaking world thing, but I wouldn't say US-centric as we have basically the same greeting in the UK.
Yeah, that wouldn't fly as much here either - if somebody asked how my day was, I'd be inclined to think they want a summary at least.
“It’s good to see you” is still positive and doesn’t get into detail, so I prefer that.
It is infuriating. I've taken to answering the question more literal. "How" am I? Well, it depends who you ask but the leading scientific consensus is that our known universe began to take shape in what's known as the great expansion. And then...
You gotta make people learn to stop asking you that.
"I am enveloped by the cold embrace of the void"
I don't know what your job is but I just either ignore the question immediately moving on, or give a short honest answer. I work at a servo though and that might not work.
Breathing is the answer that gets the best response for me.
Breathing? Just standing there, breathing, without giving an answer? What does breathing mean here?
I say the word breathing.
"How are you today?"
"Breathing"
I stopped saying I'm good. I just kinda shrug. If they ask how it's going, I tell them it hasn't stopped, and that's supposedly a good thing so...eh.
Its so annoying question sometimes, "how are you". I dont want to start conversation about it and i dont want other person to worry. Buts its also polite so you cant really do anything about it and alternative would likely just be they dont say anything at all which would be cold. I hate lying or being expected to just go through the motions.
I hated that question when I worked at jobs where I got yelled at by customers.
In Ireland it's common to say "not too bad"
My response is:
Good, as long as I don't think about it.
Just stop treating it as communication. It’s a symbolic protocol that means “hello”. It’s a handshake.
And don’t rely on your clients to be the ones you open up to. Join a men’s group or a women’s circling group, so you have someone to communicate with.
Just give a number out of ten.
Client: Hi, how are you today? You: good afternoon.
Client: Hi, how are you today? You: is it Friday yet? asking for a friend.
Client: Hi, how are you today? You: I'm surviving, it beats the alternative (fake chuckle) , what can I do for you today?
Client Hi, how are you today? You: Fluffy, he was my anchor, my pivot, the only thing in life worth living...... Nah, I'm just fucking with ya. You're here, I'm here, lets get shit done.
I’ve been saying “I don’t know” to the “how are you doing” question for about 20 years. It’s pretty good. 95% of the time that’s the end of the conversation. 5% of the time a dialogue that isn’t mundane happens.
People in this thread have made good suggestions about how you can be a tad more honest while also keeping things brief and polite. I found this surprisingly effective in making me feel less hollow, but something that really helped me was having friends who I could be completely honest with when they asked how I was doing.
You might not have friends like that. Certainly, I have found that when I'm tired and depressed is when I am most distant from would-be friends, and there have been times when I have effectively had to build up a support network from scratch (which is especially difficult when depressed). Or you may have friends who you hold at arm's length because you don't want to burden them with how you're feeling. I may be projecting here, but when I have been depressed in the past, I end up feeling like I'm almost "infectious", and I end up withdrawing. If you relate to this at all, try to resist the instinct to isolate. Try your best to put yourself in situations where you could meet people, such as if any hobbies you have had (or considered) have a social component to them. If you're starting from nothing (which I'm assuming you are, given your aforementioned loneliness), a large chunk of forcing yourself to engage with things will feel like a chore, but in my experience, that's the only way out (ideally paired with professional support, if available)
"Anyone else here feel like that? If so, how do y'all cope?"
My honest answer to that is either "I don't know if I am coping", or "solidarity". My above response may sound like I'm relatively coping, but in many ways I'm not. The times when I feel like I'm most achieving what I need to in life are often the times I feel most exhausted. In a way, it would be nice if I could think of myself as struggling due to some innate brokenness, but there are so many people struggling in the same way we are that it's abundantly clear that our material conditions are the problem. It's depressing to see how many people feel the same as I do. But it doesn't make me feel less alone, and that feeling is something I cling to. It's something, at least.
I've mostly said "good" or "alright" or some of that cause if I tell people how I really feel, they suggest institutionalizing me
Lying in general wears me down, but if I told a client or passer-by how I'm actually doing I'd be drugged out of my mind in a padded room by the end of the week. Occasionally I "squeak by" with a "Any day above ground, right?" This can't be healthy.
you'd be surprised how hard it is to get sectioned sometimes. I love therapy bc you don't have to lie like that you can just say everything sucks and why.
Nope. I'm good 👍
It is tiresome. Its not going to be good unless modern society changes in some extremely significant ways in teh US at least.
I'm far from good and lying about it constantly is killing me
I suggest you consider talking to your doctor or a mental health professional. If you feel a long way from ‘good’ some professional assistance might help improve your way.