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Quick thinking

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The Marxists, safely behind a wall, convinced the Undecideds to give the gun to the Fascists.
- When you definitely understand marxism
  
  This person is ideologically opposed to doing even the most cursory research on marxism and dialectical materialism but thinks they have authority to speak on it, throughout this thread.
  No wonder they think half of lemmy is "overrun with CCP trolls and bots", they are completely uncurious and, in fact, hostile when it comes to information that contradicts their worldview.
  It's especially funny of them to throw around the word "propagandist" like that's not precisely what they are doing.
  
  "Completely uncurious" is such a great individual criticism
  
  I have them tagged as a Nazi sympathizers after they repeatedly defended Nazis months back
  They continue to pretend that didn't happen, which is cute
  They're absolutely unwilling to un-stupid themselves
  
  I've had them tagged as a liberal propagandist for weeks now since they seem weirdly committed to filling that role, having consistently bad takes, and being hostile towards anyone that challenges them. Good to know I'm not the only one who's noticed.
  
  I have them as dnc is perfect. It's amazing the length they will go to prove they've never done wrong
  
  I've never defended nazis but thats pretty rich coming from both-sides-bad centrists who empowered Donald Trump.
  
  both-sides-bad
  I do say that, but critically I do not say both sides equally bad or in the same way
  centrists
  Lol, not a centrist
  who empowered Donald Trump
  Voted for Harris here in California, where my vote wouldn't have mattered had it been for anyone else anyway and actively vandalized trump signs in my area, but go ahead and pretend I in any way helped get orange man elected if it makes you feel better
  
  Your entire ideology and reading list is lofty word salad, the historical impact of these texts when used to promote policy is systemic collapse resulting in mass death in multiple nations in multiple eras, directly responsible for the rise of the two biggest militaristic dictatorships one of which is currently threatening to start a thermonuclear war to end all life on earth if we don't surrender more land to them.
  Tankies are all self-described marxists but Marx would vomit if he saw them supporting Donald Trump running up to the election while using his name as a club.
  
  This is all just political tribalism. China and Russia are engaging in and promoting discussions of Marxism in the USA. Capitalism has no meaning to them except "Western World Power". They do not want America to be saved they are celebrating the chaos and suffering.
  
  Okay well there was a guy named Karl Marx who wrote in the mid-late 1800s, and if you read his books, they are very good
  If you can't delineate between Marxism and Russia/China then you're being intentionally obtuse. I promise you, that the Marx that I am intimately familiar with has nothing to do with them. They came after him. I'm morbidly curious about how you would describe the history of China and Russia.
  All I'm saying is that reading hard books is good for your brain. Also can you please define "chaos" and "suffering" because I wouldn't want to misunderstand how you define those things.
  
  All I’m saying is that reading hard books is good for your brain. Also can you please define “chaos” and “suffering” because I wouldn’t want to misunderstand how you define those things.
  Let's talk about that and also about Socialism in the same breath then, the state as controlled by the people stepping in to promote widespread equality and redistribution of goods based on needs is very clearly fitting the definition of Socialism. In the 1960s Democrat President Lindon B Johnson signed into law anti-discrimination laws "The Civil Rights Act of 1964" and also FOOD STAMPS. The Civil Rights Act, later expanded to include even more protected classes such as impairment and disability, didn't have a good way of being enforced for things like hiring preferences, though, so we implemented DEI hiring practices, and Food Stamps were replaced with the SNAP program. Removal of that is death and suffering. Trump is gutting both of these things and countless other programs people relied upon.
  Tankies supported the Donald Trump presidency on their own instances, promoted abstaining from voting Harris on other instances. A bunch of fake Marxists/Lenninists are CRAWLING all over this post's comments supporting that death and suffering. The real communists all died (sometimes) honourable deaths a long time ago, the terms used in this post are nothing but dog-whistles and mental gymnastics to promote anti-USA and anti-NATO policies, like those of Donald Trump, Russia, and China.
  
  That's pretty good, I agree with your definition of suffering then.
  So how do you describe someone who identifies as a marxist communist but not a tankie? Say someone who even got banned from some comms on "tankie" instances for defending criticism (albeit left criticism) of, for example, the government of Cuba?
  It seems like there is still some disconnect. For example how does modern day Russia play into all this? They aren't remotely socialist, they gutted all the socialism out, similar to the suffering you describe now, back in the early 90s. Not trying to equivocate just understand. China has abandoned Marxism in all but an academic sense. The current government is a descendent of "capitalist roader" Dengism, and pres Xi said that China no longer recognizes the class struggle. To me, that's what makes socialists, participating in class struggle. We know China hasn't abolished class so they have abandoned Marx.
  As for the other stuff, even if it aligns with the schemes of Russia, maybe China, cant you conceive of any reason whatsoever as to why someone might want the USA to be weakened, other than a strict alignment Roth the goals of Russia and China? The USA has done a lot of horrible things, and it isn't fair to strawman every USA defeatist as a Russian op.
  
  So how do you describe someone who identifies as a marxist communist but not a tankie?
  I call that a kid being manipulated by the wrong crowd. You can support intelligent social policy without aligning yourself with the USS fucking R.
  As for the other stuff, even if it aligns with the schemes of Russia, maybe China, cant you conceive of any reason whatsoever as to why someone might want the USA to be weakened
  Because they're hostile militaristic dictatorships which want to expand their borders but people keep getting in their way.
  
  Okay wait, I didn't say the USS fucking R I said Marxist communist. You're putting things in there that don't belong, and I shouldn't have to eliminate every movement of the last 150 years that I don't want to be associated with. Marxist communist.
  As for being a child, I'm far from it. Unless you'd like to insult me straight up and infantalize what I've spent a long time understanding and explaining to people (mostly to help avoid confusion and campism among other Marxists.) While you and I really don't agree, I doubt you'd call the last several years of my life that I've been a socialist organizer a project that is anti-usa. I'm no fan of imperialism, and the USA is the core, and I'll fight it when possible. That doesn't align me with Russia and China, it aligns me with justice and truth.
  The USA is not rational, global capitalism is not rational. When China behaves IMO pretty rationally for a global power, it goes against the interests of the USA. This is how imperialism and class war turn reason into anti-reason, which anyone with eyes and ears can see is the law of the land here. You can't look at the world and be like "this makes sense" and that isn't completely the fault of foreign interests, which def exist and behave maliciously. But again, that doesn't make unreason into reason.
  
  Marxist Communism is now, has forever been, and will forever be intertwined with the USSR on an ideological scale. You will never associate with Marxism communities who are not filled to the brim with USSR sympathizers and supporters. It's a tainted word that can never be salvaged, you're better off coming up with new labels for yourself.
  
  What made you such a fervent anti communist? Most people don't care, but you love hating communism its like your whole thing. I think you love hating communism more than I love communism, though to be fair, not by very much ;)
  You see I associate with a history of other radicals and revolutionaries who called themselves communist. And it says right in the manifesto, "communists disdain to hide their views and beliefs." Why should I hate the USSR? Because that drunk Joe McCarthy told us to? That's where your misunderstanding of communism comes from: an alcoholic fascist republican bully. Its strange to hear you dismiss trumps (very wrong) policies in one breath, and repeat the lies of Trumps greatest predecessor. There's no consistency or content in your criticism, its all just moralizing.
  
  Lmao

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