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Led by RFK Jr., Conservatives Embrace Raw Milk. Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.

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Controversy over raw milk reflects the push-pull the Trump administration faces in rolling back regulations and offering consumers more choices. For now, the CDC still recommends against consuming raw milk and the FDA bans its interstate sale.

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Led by RFK Jr., Conservatives Embrace Raw Milk. Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.

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I mean… science says it’s dangerous. Reality says it’s dangerous. And soon, for many, entropy will remember that it was dangerous.
- Science doesn't say that. Control freak whiners say it.
  
  Brother, why do you think pasteurization was invented?
  I personally don't see an issue with people wanting to eat risky foods, but don't try and tell us that we shouldn't warn you that they are risky and could harm you. What happens after if your responsibility, but at least allow people to make an informed decision first rather than cover up the obvious health risks.
  
  When there choice can harm others by spreading of disease we should care.
  It's not a this only affects them situation.
  Plus, these people inflict these risks on their kids which should be child abuse. The kids aren't able to make an informed choice.
  
  Because it'd take a week in a shitty wooden "tanker" to move milk from farms into the Parisian slums.
  
  https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/foodborne-disease/salmonella-outbreak-tied-raw-milk-products-often-implicated-firm-may-have
  Salmonella outbreak tied to raw milk products from often-implicated firm may have sickened 165
  https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/dangers-raw-milk-unpasteurized-milk-can-pose-serious-health-risk
  "According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1998 through 2018, there were 202 outbreaks linked to drinking raw milk These outbreaks caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations. CDC points out that most foodborne illnesses are not a part of recognized outbreaks, and for every illness reported, many others occur."
  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/updates-bird-flu-outbreak-now-linked-raw-milk/story?id=116479974
  "Updates on the bird flu outbreak, now linked to raw milk products in California
  The first case of bird flu in a person was confirmed in April by the CDC."
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/two-cats-in-california-died-after-drinking-raw-milk-recalled-for-bird-flu-their-owner-says
  "Nearly a dozen cats in California have died since early December after consuming raw milk or raw pet food contaminated with bird flu, health officials have said.
  The infections have followed a massive outbreak of the bird flu virus in dairy cows, which has affected in more than 900 U.S. dairy herds in 16 states. About 80 percent of those herds are in California.
  Federal and state health officials have warned people not to drink raw milk because of the potential for infection with bird flu and a host of other germs. Officials also have cautioned pet owners to avoid feeding unpasteurized milk and raw meat diets to their animals."
  
  Wait, are you’re seriously trying to say that raw milk isn’t dangerous??
  If I may, I’d like to ask you to read a few resources that will help illustrate how consuming raw milk has the potential to be incredibly dangerous with the hope that you will take this seriously.
  The Center for Disease Control is a good place to start where they illustrate what pasteurizing means and why we do it:
  Raw Milk Pasteurization
  Next, I’d suggest you look into the complications that can arise as a result of consuming raw milk:
  Dangers associated with raw milk consumption
  And finally, I’d recommend you read up on the misconceptions and flat-out lies you’ve been led to believe about the “safety” of consuming unpasteurized milk:
  Raw Milk Misconceptions
  Hope this helps you out!
  
  Any bets if that CDC link is still working in 2026?
  
  Legal in the UK and they're fine. I don't need help whatsoever. Clotted cream is fucking delicious.
  
  Clotted Cream isn't the same thing as raw milk.
  https://www.roddas.co.uk/faqs/
  "IS CLOTTED CREAM PASTEURISED?
  Yes it is pasteurised and therefore is it safe for both children and pregnant women to eat and enjoy.
  IS CLOTTED CREAM SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN TO EAT?
  Yes, it’s pasteurised, so it’s perfectly safe for those with a bun in the oven."
  
  Some odd use of the word "fine" I'm not familiar with:
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/raw_milk
  Is raw milk safe?
  Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as salmonella, e-coli, listeria and campylobacter.
  A 2019 Public Health England review finds raw milk responsible for 26 outbreaks of intestinal infectious disease in England and Wales between 1992 and 2017. These involved 343 people and resulted in 41 hospitalisations. There were no outbreaks between 2003 and 2013, but seven occured between 2014 and 2017.
  Pasteurised milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25-year timeframe: 10 due to pasteurisation failures and two to post-pasteurisation contamination.
  “In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.
  A representative of FSA says “a ban of raw cow’s drinking milk was introduced in Scotland in 1983", adding it poses“a high risk to public health […] with 12 potentially associated deaths in Scotland in the early 1980s".
  In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, raw milk is sampled and tested four times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms are inspected twice a year and the herd must be healthy and free from brucellosis and tuberculosis.
  If testing detects the presence of harmful bacteria or is ‘inconclusive’, the relevant local authority must be informed and sales of raw drinking milk must cease immediately. The cause of the problem must be identified and corrective action taken. Sales can resume after at least two consecutive tests from different batches of milk proving its safety.
  
  Again, clotted cream is pasteurized in the cooking process. This is very well known. I think you’re being willfully obtuse at this point.
  And for the record, “it’s fucking delicious” isn’t a thing anyone considers when deciding wether or not something is safe to consume. For example:
  Typically, pizza is cooked at between 800-900 degrees Fahrenheit, or 259-260 degrees Celsius. However… while I wouldn’t suggest you eat it at that temperature….
  I’d be willing to bet it’s fucking delicious.
  
  "Mmmm! This cyanide tastes just like almonds!"
  
  Fucking hell, you people don't even understand what pasteurization is. The temperature is literally not raised high enough to qualify as being under NA health regulations.
  
  Yes… it is.
  
  Lol have fun with your bird flu
  
  🤡🤡
  
  travel and learn
  
  If you’re using “travel and learn” as a way to illustrate the idea that this is what allowed you to arrive at your point that raw milk is safe, It’s clearly ineffective advice.
  I’m going to kindly ask that you stop with the misinformation.
  
  All over the world people are doing really dumb things.

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