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  • Our political situation is currently quite extreme, read up on fascism specifically the "legal stage" of fascism

  • the answer heavily depends.

    Do you want to be politically informed and able to make accurate statements about things that are actively happening? Great, better cut some hours at your job and take up a research position for politics in your spare time.

    Do you want to be politically uninformed and yet still say shit about things you aren't familiar with, haven't researched and do not understand? Great, take more hours at your job, make shit up, listen to what weird internet people who are totally trust worthy and not running a grift at all (trust me bro) are saying online because it makes you feel better about yourself.

    Do you want neither of these? Being uninformed is perfectly ok and reasonable, if you approach it with the correct attitude, you cannot hold an opinion on something you are not familiar with, it's as simple as that. Refer to science and the establishment for most things, because, after all, they haven't fucking exploded and killed everyone yet, so they must be doing something right.

    TL;DR this is my personal opinion, informed by years of consuming political content, and my general interest in sociology and psychology so take this with the correct amount of concern. I would ignore pretty much anything and everything coming from the political right, it's either bullshit, a lie, or AI generated these days. Very, very rarely do they actually manage to tell the whole truth.

    I would also advise distantly observing the far left, as they tend to do nothing more than yelling, screaming, and bemoaning inconveniences. The general left is a bit better about this. But they also have the "we dont really do anything" problem also

    Otherwise, be very careful, be extremely critical of the content/media you consume, and be sure to establish your own independent worldview and political beliefs, you don't have to have identical beliefs to me, or anybody else here, and that's the beauty of modern western politics. Or maybe find some organizations around you that you can get directly involved in, to make a difference in the lives of people around you.

    Yelling at people about things on the internet is one of the least effective ways of doing anything. It's a great platform for satire, since that's what satire thrives on, but otherwise, do something else, it's more productive that way. You need a truly incredible reach to be able to make a difference online.

  • I'm almost certain that the US is about to Balkanize. The federal government has done a terrible job of responding to people's actual needs for a long time now, and often even runs directly counter to those needs. They're starting to fuck with blocks of states and we're seeing more and more states that are aligning with each other against the federal government on issues. Dumbass is stuffing all of the departments that could do anything about it (the alphabet boys, the DOD, etc) with incompetent stooges and firing the actual competent people that believe in the national mythology and had the connections to foster what interagency cooperation there was. I expect that we haven't seen the last of these folks. It's a complicated thing we can talk more about, but generally, I think US balkanization is probably a good thing for everyone but the billionaires, so I hope they enjoy their footguns.

    As such, I wouldn't recommend paying too much attention to federal stuff; skim the headlines and make sure you and yours aren't in danger, but it's clear enough there's not much we can do to affect federal policy unless we're billionaires. Instead, start meeting other people and working on making the world you want to see locally. City council meetings are a great place to start networking towards that goal. Get to know your neighbors and (crucially) owe them a favor or gift them stuff (eggs from backyard chickens, cookies you baked, whatever). People are hardwired to form bonds to those whom owe us or we owe, and it's very, very common in many non-capitalist society to consider an equal payment to be offensive (because you're saying "I want nothing else to do with you"). Got a garage sale coming up? Plan with your neighbors to do a big sale together and get more people to show up. See someone working on something? Ask them "how can I help?" instead of "can I help?". One of the biggest problems with the US is the lack of community bonds and (therefore) networking, and it's easier than you think to change it. It's very cheap and takes less time than you think. I'm begging you to just give it a try, and if you really hate it, then you're off the proverbial hook.

  • Part of it is a war on information and memory, so it is important to stay aware. With the American Civil War, almost immediately after it was over they began rewriting history (the Lost Cause).

    There’s a historical debate about the extent of which German civilians were aware of the Holocaust. I found Hitler’s Willing Executioners convincing myself. I think people knew what was happening in the camps, but allowed themselves an out - plausible deniability. (And again, the war on memory - that the deaths were all typhus, or the numbers were exaggerated)

    I’ve already been living as an oppressed minority in a state that had already started implementing Project 2025 before Trump was even elected. The one thing that’s hardest to deal with is the gaslighting. I’ve just wanted to be seen.

    I don’t think they’ll put trans people in death camps, but I believe they are planning on weaponizing the mental health system against trans people. Forcible institutionalization for most AFAB at least. Trans women they might declare sex criminals and use the increased powers of capital punishment on - we’ve seen moves towards this in Florida. I think it’d be like Nazi’s and the original eugenics program - some trans people do have families who might protest if a bunch of us disappear.

    I do believe they will start killing immigrants. Texas has volunteered land for this purpose, and if they are already placing barbed wire along the Rio Grande, they are willing to kill.

    So how does this knowledge help? What is the point of keeping up with the fear and terror?

    Perhaps to try to help the lesson stick this time. To keep screaming that this is not normal. To ensure that when it is all over, there won’t be “it was all about states rights!” That we saw this coming, that we kept saying it was coming, but America was too scared of a black woman in power and too obsessed with trans women’s penises to say “no” to Stupid Hitler.

    You can stay aware to know where small places of action are - can you print out cards with information on what to do when ICE arrives and leave them in places? You can stock up on mifepristone or estrogen if you have friends who might need it. Find local mutual aid networks and pitch in. Provide emotional support to your queer/immigrant/woman friends. Tell children that this is not normal, this is not the America we grew up in.

    Action is how to combat trauma. It’s the feeling of helplessness that “causes” PTSD - a situation where you know that nothing you do has an impact on the outcome. Mental health under fascism is learning what you can do, and focusing on that.

  • Removing news from your regular feeds or taking a break from them for a week is chill, everyone should do that here and there. But don't bury your head in the sand, you should keep an eye on it even if that is only browsing a dedicated news feed every week or two. Ignorance and complacency is how we got Trump 2024 with people actively voting against themselves.

  • Personally, I'm tunning it out. The only time I dive into it is around elections so I can make an informed vote. But, after that it seems like I'm utterly powerless to change anything.

    I used to think being informed would come in handy to change people's minds, but that never happens. People have to change their own minds.

    See also: https://lemmy.today/post/22524765

  • It's important to be aware of what happens and to act when and how you feel led.

    However, caring for your mental health is most important. Even on this platform I have a filter on for a single word -- Trump. For how long, I don't know. I still get US news, but I just needed to decrease it for a time in relation to that man.

  • "it's gotten very political" says someone who had to be sentient through the covid pandemic. i just can't anymore y'all.

  • If you don't plan to help at all then yes, might as well stick your head in the sand. It doesn't matter if you pay attention or not if you don't offer any form of resistance. Indifference is the default response for a significant portion of Americans and it's a huge part of the problem.

    The deck is stacked against us, no doubt. But we can look to historical examples of what happens if you don't fight Nazis coming into power, and I refuse to be one of those examples.

    There really are only two pragmatic options at this point. Fight or leave. Anything else is a waste.

    • You hurt your own cause by being so willing to make everything black and white.

      I want people who fight for good by cooking meals to do that and understand they are having an impact.

      I want teachers who will not lie to their students.

      I want religious leaders who will point out the hypocrisy of those using religion to divide.

      None of those things are "fighting." All of them, and many more, are important.

      If you feel like violent resistance is what you are good at and what is needed, I encourage you to think about all the other forms of resistance necessary for any violent campaign to produce long-lasting positive results and perhaps reconsider how quick you are to dismiss others and if that is truly helpful for your cause.

      • I encourage you to not be so black and white by your definition of "fighting". I consider most* forms of resistance as fighting, not just violent ones. We'll take whatever we can get as far as that is concerned, but you can't deny that it will ultimately take physical resistance as well. Some have the capacity for both.

  • I think that you can and should tune it out when it feels overwhelming. You terrifying yourself about things you can't change isn't helpful. What's helpful is that, whether you've watched the news today or not, possessing a willingness to do small bits of good in your immediate neighborhood.

    Be willing to hold a door open for someone, or push a car out of an icy parking space, or shovel someone's sidewalk for free, etc. etc. etc.

  • This thread is everything I needed to convince me to leave instead of fight.

  • Deportations have happened under other presidents as well, so from what I can tell this is all being covered in great detail as part of some media campaign.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective

    More info https://living.alot.com/entertainment/45-weirdest-presidential-facts--17063?s=11&isLong=0&isVertical=1

    The anti-DEI motivation seems thoughtless at first, but then when you look at it really it seems the politicians don’t like the CRT and Neo-Marxist ideology associated with DEI. Makes sense, America has never been about Marxism or Communism.

    https://newdiscourses.com/2023/04/marxist-roots-of-dei-workshop-all-sessions/

    I mean, people should have some resource for legal immigration, but a nation is allowed sovereign control over their immigration policies.

    So, the whole reaction on the left seems a tad alarmist maybe, but as others have said keep paying attn but don’t let it consume your life or senses.

    Edit meant to use a different term

    • You assume the actors in the system act in good faith and that the system's incentives are well designed. It is not.

      What kinds of people want to join the organization responsible for keeping foreigners out? How many of those groups are racists that don't actually care about the citizenship part? How do you measure the success of this organization?

      When you start asking these kinds of questions, you start to see the cracks. Additionally, when you look at US immigration policies compared to other developed countries, they're quite harsh. I emigrated to Korea. It's quite easy if I have a college education and some work experience. I benefit Korea's economy. My Korean friends who want to go to the US have a totally different experience.

      Additionally, you need to look at the US's history with regards to race. See the Japanese internment camps of WW2 or the fire bombing of Tulsa, OK. We don't necessarily distinguish between actual citizens and foreigners.

      You can also look at how illegal immigration is managed in the US. Look at Ron DeSantis in Florida. He spooked illegal immigrants in Florida with his crackdown on immigration. The orange farmers started panicking because there were no workers. The oranges were rotting. Did DeSantis prop up the orange industry and encourage them to hire Americans? The good faith act? Fuck no! He rolled back the crackdown, and the illegal immigrants continued to be used for basically slave labor. America doesn't want legal immigration. They just want a group with no rights to beat the shit out of when they're feeling bad and to use for labor that citizens don't want to do.

      Your argument of people behaving in good faith with regards to immigration doesn't have a lot of evidence to support it when looking at history.

      The right thing to do would be to pursue immigration reform first, give time for current illegal immigrants to become legal, crackdown on the employers of illegal immigrants, and then start enforcing immigration law more strongly. But surprise! It ain't happening.

      Of course, my comment assumes you're trying to argue in good faith, which also may be naive. Let's see

      • Please, how many non-Korean politicians are in their congress? Korea is also so ethnically homogeneous, so it’s not even fair to ask that question. I care about civil rights and liberties of minorities, my problem is that America is constantly getting fucked by one type of propaganda or another because it has an actual democracy (in at least the blue and purple states).

        Yes, some American southern states actually do systemic racism type things, that’s undeniable if you objectively look at their policies. America, however, is not a monolith.

    • Oh, hey, look, a misinformed idiot/Nazi supporter!

      • lol how? Anti-immigration is not inherently racism. All countries have some sort of immigration control.

        Edit forget it, i don’t want to want to seem oblivious to the obvious human rights issues here. People deserve legal recourse to immigration, enough said.

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