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  • I'd play defense for the greenlanders generally speaking. Mostly because they don't deserve to be the proverbial sock with a knot tied in it being tugged on in a war between the Danes and the yanks

    • Indigenous Greenlanders are already an absurdly victimised and blighted community now - poverty, racism, exploitation, corporate abuse, and terrible rates of SA - never mind being in the middle of one of the US' imperialist power struggles.

  • Never thought I would have to say this for

    but......

    Hexbears leaning into imperialist chauvinism when the empire goes after a country they don't like? Wild, not okay

    It would be one of the greatest political opportunities on this continent in a long time if this happened. The Canadian Nazis everyone here hates, rightly, and which ppl have also apparently decided everyone in Canada (including the indigenous peoples stuck under the setter-colonial system of "Canada") deserves some kind of ontological punishment for, I guess, are the people the US is gonna put in power or at least use to repress any movement that could resist this. Omg I know, I'm really doing "not all Canadians" but fuck, the imperial relationship does make us do the strangest things. Sometimes a reactionary power can transform into a revolutionary one in the right context. Even the Redditors talking about how willing they are to die "for their country" would have to decide quickly how to navigate this situation and how they actually feel about "their country" when the existing government probably immediately collaborates with the Americans to hand over the country

    There is no progressive way to "put on the American trucker hat" and take pleasure in the destruction of yet another country's (at least kinda existing)-sovereignty before the empire's military. This "joke" is only something Americans can even do lol

  • I think it wont actually be a cool enough timeline for there to be a war between the NATOs. More likely they just sign some treaty making a North American Union and become defacto territories without a fight while maintaining some autonomy.

    If the Amerikkkan empire really start cannibalizing itself tho i will laugh my ass off.

  • I’d cross the border and start the québécois liberation front. take advantage of the instability and direct that independent sentiment towards some revolutionary peoples’ war

  • As others said before it is HIGHLY unlikely to happen....but if the US seriously would invade Canada I would at the very least give critical support to Canada. It would be another mark against the US on the Worldstage if the US invaded or even peacefully annexed one of its closest allies. It would make even NAFO dogs uneasy if that happened. Now this is not me saying it would be good if it happened...but if it happened I feel like it could increase the instability of the Western block by a lot.

    My 2cents as an Armchair historian

  • "I'm an anti-imperialist socialist! Oh except for when the target of imperialism is a country I don't like"

    For fucks sake is this the state of western leftist discourse now? Honestly it's not too far from the "I want to support Gaza, but the Moooozlims there are anti-LGBT so yeah...." shit that liberals say.

    • Canada is not a socialist state, Canada is not a former colony with a national liberation government, Canada is an imperialist power (oppressed indigenous population notwithstanding) and as such the Revolutionary Defeatist principle holds real firm

      There can't be any defense of Canada for the simple reason the "legitimate government" will become quisling the moment any real force is applied by the United States, and what's the alternative framework? Fight to the last Canadian? Or god help us, Fight to the last First National? You want to copy the Ukraine model of "solidarity"?

      The criteria of critical support or support in general isn't based on a person's idiosyncratic ideas of what nations they happen to like or dislike, it's based on a nation's relationship with global imperialism and sorry, but Canada is firmly embedded in the heart of imperialism and as a result we move from critical support to defeatism

      Now if an indigenous and general socialist resistance movement develops as a result of the imperialist struggle, THEN we can talk about support, critical or otherwise

      • What happens when the imperial partner of an imperialist power becomes a target of that imperial power? Canada only gets to do imperialism in the context of the Americans letting them and helping them do it. They don't have the independent military or financial power to do independent imperial adventures

        No one is cheering when other non-socialist states have even vestigial sovereignty stripped away (at least they shouldn't be), even if they may be complicit in imperialism themselves by cooperation with imperial powers and regardless of that and the above, this isn't like an inter-imperialist conflict cuz this isn't about the division of the some parts of the world and other countries between the conflicting powers, this is about the country of Canada itself coming under the complete control of the US without any imperial-partner conditions. This is why I think the relationship of Canada to imperialism will have changed if this happens (unlikely anyway)

        And cuz it's about this relationship (we both agree on this), even a reactionary force can become a revolutionary one in the context of an anti-imperialist struggle. Yeah, it's a settler-colonial country, but is there any outcome where American control doesn't make shit even worse for indigenous peoples? Every concession won will have to be won again from the Americans (without even considering the possible involvement of American military forces)

        Now if an indigenous and general socialist resistance movement develops as a result of the imperialist struggle, THEN we can talk about support, critical or otherwise

        This is exactly the problem, that your anti-imperialism is conditional and until any (hypothetical) national resistance struggle meets your criteria, you effectively have the position of any other imperialist chauvinist, just couched in the language of online leftism

        but the fireballs are American bombs I guess

        Omg, I hate this argument, this is so silly. Cuz tbh, the settler Canadian government doesn't have the juice to resist this shit anyway if it gets real, probably the only good and possible outcome of any effective resistance to this hypothetical unlikely thing is an indigenous and (fuckin hopefully, if the settler-leftists will go for it I guess) general socialist resistance movement

        Idk, in summary...... were the Chinese communists wrong for working with Chiang Kai-Shek in the anti-Japanese war? I'm not saying uncritical support or smth but what does anyone gain besides the imperialists from the total subjection of imperialist partners besides some kind of misanthropic glee? It only increases the amount of resources the Great Satan has under its direct control and forfeits the opportunity to work inside and with the resistance forces to gain control over the outcome and political character of those resistance forces

  • Any US users here talking revolutionary defeatism need to stop bringing up Canada and exercise it IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY first. Seek the defeat of your own imperial power’s ambitions above all else, yes Canada is imperialist too but a strengthened US is clearly a worse outcome than a battered Canada which if successful in remaining sovereign would absolutely move away from the imperialist western bloc. Yes the Canadian liberals will quickly sell out sovereignty for their own gain but if pressures in the US prolong the process then a resistance can be mounted outside of the bourgeois govt structures as they exist and something new can be born to the North. This would be the result of successful application of this concept in both countries it’s not that hard to not be chauvinistic

    • “If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.” - Harry S. Truman

      Replace Germany with the US and Russia with Canada. Tho its more likely that its a Germany-France scenario and Canada immediately surrenders.

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