But "socialism" is a scary word

The flaw in capitalism and the flaw that makes it unmanageable is how over time capitalism will find ways to extract more for less.

This will always fall to the workers. The recent recession had tax payers bail out the banks as well as pay bonuses. all because banks got very greedy.

It can definitely be argued that capitalists themselves fucking hate capitalism.

Strong "I can fix him" energy out there.

Yes exactly.

I mean, not around here?

We don't have a lot of dyed in the wool capitalists on Lemmy, so I see a lot less of that sentiment here. On Lemmy we have way more issues with full-on-tankies than right wingers.

The rest of the internet? Oh yeah.

Not everyone. Capitalists love capitalism. It's the people who aren't capitalists but think they are because they love capitalism.

Sort of like how people think they are Christian's because they go to church believe in Jesus, but don't actually follow the teachings.

People think they are all sorts of things they are not and make themselves and or other miserable because of their fantasies.

You can be fine with the innovation and entrepreneurial spirit of capitalism and still favor a wealth cap and abolishing laws like Citizens United that give money undue influence on politics. Extreme wealth concentration actually hurts capitalism by starving the spending economy of money. It's a defect in the system that eventually spoils the system.

That's partially because like many other words and names (just consider Isis, an important goddess of ancient egypt), "socialism" to most people means the type of absolute control that communist countries usually feature. But of course, as a word/concept, socialism is just the application of socialist policies, not even remotely alluding to some absolute end goal or so. And naturally as a part of society except a tiny minority at the top, most people would benefit from more socialist policies.

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Things I hate were present where I live through half of USSR and then till now, and replaced things even scarier present since the revolution.

Tell me it's capitalism, mofo, I beg you.

No, everyone doesn't hate capitalism.

I think capitalism is fine in principle, but like anything else that needs limits and rules that people are willing to enforce.

I think the flaw is human nature. All governments and organizations are corrupt. All implementations are always twisted to suit the greed of individuals.

It's entirely possible to create policy and enforcement mechanisms that would mitigate or eliminate excessive greed but nobody with anything votes for it because they'll lose out on their own personal greed by their measure. They want that chance to fleece the masses even if they aren't in the club that's already doing it.

Blame humans.

Survivors bias. People in Russia or China don't appear to complain about their systems because... they can't.

Blaming "capitalism" for all of society's problems is about as useful as blaming God or some gremlins. For example, if you're in the USA and you blame "capitalism" for your problems, then what are you gonna do about it? There is no path to change this society from capitalism to socialism or communism. We have entire armies of military and police who will ensure that the status quo stays in place. You also can't vote your way out of this. No candidates advocating such changes will be elected.

The best thing we can do is aim for better regulation of the systems that have allowed for the oligarchy to take it all over. Which won't be easy or quick at all but is at least somewhat possible.

Posts like this one are chasing people away from Lemmy.

Regarding OP's image...

• They make blanket statements
• They tell you what your problem is and they think they are more qualified than you, to know what your problem is
• They think they have the perfect solution for you, if only you weren't in the way

Naturally the government they favor would have the same perspective, no?

People blame capitalism, but capitalism isn't the problem. The problem, as always, is power.

Under feudalism things were much worse. Serfs worked 6 days a week, 12+ hours a day. Up to 3 days of that week was spent tending your lord's lands for free.

Under absolute monarchies, dictatorships and police states you work as hard as you can for whatever hours your employer sets, and you keep any complaints to yourself or you're dragged off to a camp, or summarily executed.

So far, every time "communism" has been tried, it was just a dictatorship or police state where the leaders pretend that there's a higher ideal.

Capitalist republics don't give people at the bottom much power, but they get a little bit. And, that little bit is the best that the people at the bottom have ever had, even if it isn't much.

The fact that there are people at the bottom isn't the fault of some political system, and especially isn't the fault of capitalism, it's the fault of human nature.