And that's the difference between classical conditioning (the dogs being trained to sensory input by Pavlov) and operant conditioning (Pavlov training himself through his own behavior).
Also good example of "closed systems" not existing outside of theory.
I really wish this aspect was considered more often in pop sci discussions.
While it’s certainly possible that Pavlov ended up ‘doing’ operant conditioning on himself, I think something different is going on here. I think Pavlov is a victim of humanity’s language capabilities: we do not only link concepts on one direction (dogs -> bell) but do so bidirectionally (dogs <-> bell). There is a whole line of research that goes into how associations (which are the ones in classical and operant conditioning) are not the same as relations (which are the ones that we humans are proficient at, blessed with, and cursed with).
Wow that was a interesting wiki hole that lead me up to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)
yep that's the principle behind exposure therapy, particularly as a treatment for OCD and PTSD
If I'm not mistaken, operant conditioning takes place either through reinforcement or punishment. How does that play in here?
both are classical
And when hearing or reading pavlov we think about the guy, dogs, the bell and feeding.
See I think of Barenaked Ladies. Maybe you're too young to know the song.
Funny...I think of Aimee Mann!
I think of a telephone first. See my other comment.
neurons that fire together wire together.
Probably not, given that he tortured those dogs.
what did he do?
There's a short summary in this article:
IFL Science: Pavlov's Dog Experiment Was Much More Disturbing Than You ThinkI'm not certain on the accuracy of everything it's saying, but other sources at least seem to agree he was originally studying digestion, and cut holes in the dogs' throats so the food would fall out when they ate.
From memory he did throw them into boiling water.
My first time hearing that
He what??
In college, my friend named his dorm phone Pavlov because it had to be answered when it rang.
why is this shocking?
Alright it’s been about ten years. Can we please go back to just saying shit, without all the extra shit?
Like in this case could the meme just be:
Pavlov probably thought about feeding his dogs anytime someone rang a bell.
Why’s everything gotta be a story about one time somebody said X and it changed me into a newt or whatever horseshit people need to encapsulate their idea with?
Advocating here to stop posting screenshots of Tweets. We can all do better and there are loads of other sources for content.
Ok, this is old though.
